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| bart |
 Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:08 pm |
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| Looks like Larkin and Dave scrounge up an alien calamari tonight on "Invasion." |
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| bart |
| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:02 pm |
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| Perhaps they can scrounge up some people who will post on the Alternative TV forum. |
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| dlhavard |
| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:34 pm |
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| Alas, most of the "alternative tv" seems to be dropping by the wayside. Supernatural is getting weirder and weirder though and I'm glad it's staying around. |
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| bart |
| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:18 pm |
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Well, within this tiny microcosm, I will plant a few footprints in the sand:
Invasion -- great ensemble, but I find "Dave" kind of poorly-conceived as a weirdo brother GOB caricature. His hair is painful to look at. Having a partial-Dave slither from the swamp was not the series finest moment. Fichtner, however, continues to rivet, as he sends the priest off to Bad Hybrid's Camp or whatever.
Lost -- with Sawyer as the focus, this ep could not fail to advance the story a bit, as we catch up on backstory and his present bid for sheriff of Dharma county. Nice to see Kim Dickens working. Charlie seems to be continuing his move to the Dark Side, what with the mugging and the Unabomber hoodie and all. Perhaps he's turning into an Other, in hopes of getting laid. I hear those Other chicks are pretty fast.
Anyone notice the book that Locke was riffling the pages of, in the bunker? If it means anything, it could reinforce my theory that they're all dead, in the throes. Incident at Owl Creek, IIRC, is all the dream of a man as he dies on the gallows. |
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| bart |
| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:21 pm |
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Yep, the title varies, either "Incident at," or "Occurence at," Owl Creek Bridge, by Ambrose Bierce, and then variously adapted to tv and short film feature.
It has to mean something that they show Locke with this book. |
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| grace |
| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:55 pm |
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I can't help thinking "...Owl Creek" is just a red herring, and that they threw it in precisely because so many people on the internet groups have been speculating about the Purgatory idea.
Kim Dickens -- still waiting for Sawyer at the hotel, as he told her to; or dead, killed by the partner guy who wasn't in the car? I figured for Number 2, but sometimes I get a little cynical and possibly cavalier with the fate of fictional characters.
Truthfully, I was waiting for KD to turn out to be the con artist, working Sawyer, and possibly in league with Sawyer's other (male) partner, in some elaborate scheme. |
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| Earl |
| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:03 pm |
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Last night's Lost:
Some of us have commented here that one of the interesting aspects of the show is watching the survivors trying to form a society and establish rules. Somewhere in all that soap-opera-ey stuff last night about Sawyer's background and cons and "who's foolin' who" twists, fascinating issues were raised. Which people should be permitted to possess firearms? Is universal health care (Jack's "This medicine belongs to the group!" assertion to Sawyer) the way to go? Is "Moonlight Serenade" the most beautiful melody ever composed by a human? (Yes, it is.) |
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| bart |
| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:31 pm |
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Grace, re
"Truthfully, I was waiting for KD to turn out to be the con artist, working Sawyer, and possibly in league with Sawyer's other (male) partner, in some elaborate scheme."
Well, there is the matter of her having the $600,000 already, from her divorce, and Sawyer being nearly broke. I'm not sure what they would con Sawyer out of.
Sawyer seems like a cynic, in that he perceives his fellow castaways as not competent to be pastoral democratic-socialists. His underlying assumption is that it's always going to be reverting to anarchy, so he might as well start first and accumulate as much wealth as possible. IOW, he's running not for sheriff, but for tribal chieftain. I think he sees Jack's morality as confused and innefectual, and fears that Jack will ultimately lead them into more chaos than a more primitive strongman type would. A lot of tyrants, I suspect, see themselves in this light. |
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| grace |
| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:19 pm |
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Earl,
Word on Moonlight Serenade. Is it just coinicidence that it's a Glenn Miller song? (since Glenn Miller died in a plane crash, that is?) Or are the writers simply having fun?
I've heard conflicting reports that Michelle Rodriguez is going to be booted from the show, so I wonder if Ana Lucia and the gun situation are going to get more play.
bart,
I was going on the premise that maybe she really had $600K, maybe she didn't.
Sawyer is making some kind of money doing what he's doing, or he'd just cut to the chase and hold up gas stations and convenience stores -- at least that's my perception. So, I was expecting -- maybe that's too strong a word -- open to the possibility that this was the beginning of a long, long con. Alas, in fact, no elaborate scheme unfolded.
Quote: I think he sees Jack's morality as confused and innefectual, and fears that Jack will ultimately lead them into more chaos than a more primitive strongman type would. A lot of tyrants, I suspect, see themselves in this light.
With regard to your statement, I think Sawyer might be tyrannical, but he also might be kind of right in his estimation of Jack (and possibly others).
I agree that Sawyer, to make the thought really broad, "is ruining it for everybody" social structure-wise, but that's also just the way life is. So what do you do, kill him? And violate possibly the strongest, most dearly held social tenet of society/the island? |
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| grace |
| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:45 pm |
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bart,
To beat this to death, I was also a little thrown when Kim Dickens caught on right away to Sawyer, when his suitcase/briefcase popped open "by accident" in the beginning of the con. By her calling him on it, I was thinking she could be knowledgeable about scams -- even though, as a semi-wealthy divorcee, she might have been schooled or generally aware of vultures. Hence my wondering if she was actually working Sawyer, while he thought he was working her.
And, I want the name of Kim Dickens' divorce lawyer (on the show). The current agreement with the hubby and me is, whoever leaves has to take the dog and a particular cat. Perhaps I should try to improve on that. (Not that we have enough money to fight over in the first place.) |
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| bart |
| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:06 pm |
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Yeah, there was a point at which I did wonder if Dickens might be conning him, somehow. I didn't mean to sound like I was so certain about it. Actually, anyone who's familiar with the Thomas Crown Affair type of plot, can't help but wonder.
As for Sawyer, the fact that we can sympathize with him somewhat in his view of Jack, is what makes him so interesting. There's always a question about Jack, esp. when he pushes the outside of the hysteria envelope, as to why he's really entitled to be the leader of the group. I find myself thinking sometimes they need something like Rome had at one time, a triumvirate where Jack, Sawyer, and Locke each manage in different areas and check each others power. Maybe that's where it's going. As long as they don't appoint Hurley to a second term as Minister of Extra Food. Or Sayid as Minister of Corrections. |
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| grace |
| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:27 pm |
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I was kind of thinking about the rule by committee thing, too. But then I figured if Locke is really going evil, he could whack Jack and/or the other governor (say, Eko). Then, Locke is in charge; or, if there are replacements or subsequent appointees, they probably know they'd better fall in line, or else. And you're right back where you started, with a tyrant in power.
I think Jack is convinced he's the right guy because he sincerely believes that he's altruistic and will serve all the islanders equally and well. But, you know, just about everyone seems to think that about themselves, IMO; I think many people generally believe themselves to be good and fair, no matter what their actions or what others think of their actions.
Really, I think Jack treats some islanders "more equally" (a la Animal Farm) than others, even though he doesn't realize this. And I don't think being a good guy necessarily means being a good leader, but Jack doesn't realize this. He only knows that he is for the general welfare, and anyone with a conflicting opinion clearly is not, and therefore is not fit to be the leader. So, he may be a megalomaniac, but he's a beneficent one. Or so he thinks.
I also think Sawyer possesses a certain brutal honesty and/or self-awareness that Jack lacks, but do you really want Sawyer in charge? And how long until he betrays Charlie; or conversely, what's Charlie going to have to do (and do and do and do) for Sawyer so that he keeps Charlies' secret? |
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| Nancy |
| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:19 pm |
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grace wrote: The current agreement with the hubby and me is, whoever leaves has to take the dog and a particular cat.
How does the Particular Cat feel about this? |
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| grace |
| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:45 pm |
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She's evil to people, but likes the dog a lot, so she should be happy. (A litter was dumped on our vet's porch, and we got a parting gift at our dog's appointment that day. I think she imprinted on the mutt.)
However, I/we hope never to find out! Basically, it's just a running gag, as in: "Okay, you can go, but you have to take....." And then the other person says "Oh, in that case, never mind, etc." |
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| bart |
| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:17 pm |
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Sorry to bid farewell to AD. Nice coda to the series (which I only started watching this last fall, on and off), with fun cameos -- Gary Cole, Ed Begley Jr. et al. Nice WMD joke with the Saddam lookalikes and all.
The most demented and original sitcom in recent tv history, from what I've seen of them. And it forced me to listen carefully, to get the jokes, which made me kind of respect it -- that plus no laugh track. |
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