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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:43 pm |
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Great as many of the performances in My Beautiful Laundrette are, to me the stand-out, and the emotional centre of the film, is Roshan Seth, one of my favorite actors, as Omar's retired, disillusioned professor father. The film's screenplay nods often to Look Back In Anger, the emphases of which it reverses, and Seth's the post-hippie, multiculturalist equivalent of Colonel Redfern, the guy who can't work out why the sun isn't shining on the Empire anymore; except that Seth's the guy who can't work out why the sun isn't shining on his egalitarian socialist paradise. The bit where he greets Johnny and asks, in a half-smile but with pointedly suppressed rage, "Or are you still a fascist?", is a sublime bit of acting. |
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jeremy |
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:54 pm |
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That's a very astute point Rod. I don't think the babyboom literarti have ever really come to grips with how the world has changed under them. In blaming Thatcher, in their disillusionment with Blair and new Labour, they are always looking for someone to blame for never reaching the shores of their socialist Utopia. |
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yambu |
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:45 pm |
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ehle64 |
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:01 pm |
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Thanks, yambulin' man!
I tried scanning in the Kael review of My Beautiful Laundrette and then my damn printer software crashed and I lost it all. Still intend to share it soon. |
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chillywilly |
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:58 am |
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As ehle posted over on Couch and the Music forum, I'd love to start discussing High Fidelity. Of course, after Blanches and Oscars have completed their back-to-back weekend fest. |
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Earl |
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:46 pm |
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marantzo wrote: Well there seems to be little interest in the Frears forum, OK, not little interest, none.
"I'm late, I'm late, for a very important date..."
Sorry, moderator Gary, for taking so long to get to it. A month and a half after receiving the DVD from Blockbuster and saying I would watch it that weekend, I finally watched it this weekend. A few excuses, like Blanche Madness and working six days a week, have kept me too busy to get to it, but here I am. Finally. Anyway...
My Beautiful Laundrette
This is an exceptional story about outsiders in London. In fact, I can't think of a character with a significant speaking role who wasn't an outsider in some way. Most of the outsiders are immigrants or children of immigrants, a topic Stephen Frears would revisit some years later in Dirty Pretty Things. It was facsinating to hear Omar's prosperous uncle describe England as "the place we love and hate."
Gary has already mentioned that Frears' films are usually shot well and it's true here. Especially dazzling (and how I wish I could have seen this one on the big screen) was a scene in the laundrette when Omar and Johnny Boy are looking at eachother through a glass wall. Omar is on the same side of the glass as we are and his face is seen in the reflection. Then Johnny Boy approaches the glass on the other side and positions himself so that his face is in the spot where we see Omar's face refelcted. They smile at eachother as their two faces become one. It's a magical moment.
All in all, a wonderful movie and I'm glad I finally saw it. |
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Earl |
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:56 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: I love My Beautiful Laundrette, which is also one of the first specifically gay movies I ever saw, so it has personal meaning to me beyond the quality of the picture.
My favorite scene has the uncle and his mistress waltzing through the laundrette while the two boys have sex in the back. Two forms of "illicit" sex revealed as the genuine instances of romance they are (neither is a case of "just sex" though both relationships are theoretically based on sex). And both are supposedly based on commercial considerations, as the laundrette is, but all three are instances of personal expression and beauty.
Excellent observation. |
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ehle64 |
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:04 pm |
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Thanks for bringing life back to this forum, Earl.
I'm gearing up for my first photo exhibition, but I swear I'm going to try and get that Kael review in here somehow.
My Beautiful Laundrette is a great film. I'm so happy that, if even one of our members, it has found a new audience. Not much is ever mentioned of the cousin. I find her to be absolutely brilliant everytime I rewatch. |
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Earl |
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:16 pm |
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Ghulam wrote: My Beautiful Laundrette was the first Frears movie I saw. It was also the first time I saw Daniel Day Lewis. The story about Pakistani immigrants in England is wriiten by Hanif Kureishy, son of a Pakistani father, and brings out intergenerational tensions between immigrants and their children living in a rundown London neighborhood, as well as ambivalent relationships between Pakistani youth and the local kids. This was a territory not traveled before, and is quite different from the story of Dr.Aziz of A Passage to India or the story 20 years later of Pakistani kids blowing up London's subway trains. The direction is very sensitive, the flow of the narrative is smooth, and the movie has pathos and comedy in equal measure.
Agree with all of this, especially the final sentence.
The immigrant aspect of the story resonated strongly in one scene when a woman says regarding Omar, "I can't stand these in-betweeners."
Thanks also for noting over in Current Film some time back that Hanif Kureishy also wrote Venus. I got the sense watching both movies that I was seeing London the way it is (or, in the case of My Beautiful Laundrette, the way it was two decades ago) rather than an impossibly charming, picture-postcard version of the city that some films seem to portray. |
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Earl |
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:35 pm |
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ehle64 wrote: Thanks for bringing life back to this forum, Earl.
I'm gearing up for my first photo exhibition, but I swear I'm going to try and get that Kael review in here somehow.
My Beautiful Laundrette is a great film. I'm so happy that, if even one of our members, it has found a new audience. Not much is ever mentioned of the cousin. I find her to be absolutely brilliant everytime I rewatch.
My pleasure. I hope this thread continues. It started right smack in the middle of the holidays and that may have contributed to its sputtering start. People were probably busy. And then, I dunno, things have just been weird since.
As I was rereading the posts earlier this afternoon I saw your comment about the Kael review. That would be cool if you have the time, but I'm in no position to complain about that, for aforementioned reasons.
Yes, Tania is a great character and Rita Wolf does a terrific job playing her. She and other supporting characters in this movie are so well-drawn (like Omar's Papa or the Uncle's mistress, to cite but two examples) that they could be the centerpieces of other movies. |
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Earl |
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:45 pm |
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marantzo wrote: I just finished watching My Beautiful Laundrette.
I found it to be a strange movie. And as I've come to appreciate how well Frears movies are shot, this movie is beautifully shot. It has a rather herky jerky pacing regarding the scene transitions. It's almost like many of the scenes haven't quite finished. But I didn't mind that. I sort of liked it. I liked the movie overall, even though many times I couldn't quite figure out what the hell was happening. And I found many of the actions of the characters hard to believe. I'm not talking about what they do, but how they react in some situations. It's hard to think of any sympathetic characters in the movie with the exception of John, who is a reformed fascist hooligan, the mistress (Shirley Anne Field's character) and to a small extent the uncle. It's a wild ride with a lot of missing details, but that is somehow part of the charm of the movie.
I'll write more about what I think of it when the forum starts to roll. I hope it does start to roll.
Regarding some of the scene transitions, it looked as if it were intended for TV. There were moments when a scene faded out to black and then faded back in from black. It felt like a commercial would have been inserted there. I can't check the DVD again because I've already sealed it for return mail, but I thought I saw "Television Four" listed in the credits. Was it perhaps originally intended for TV, like The Queen? |
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Earl |
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:16 pm |
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marantzo wrote: What does anyone think of the rather unrealistic actions by the characters in Laundrette in regards to their seeming lack of care when confronted by hooligans, confronting relatives with a history of violence, have forbidden sex at a time and place that is wide open to discovery, and seemingly an unconcerned attitude about getting caught cheating or any other deception?
I also could never figure out what exactly this clan of Pakistanis did. There is a drug transaction, for instance, that I could never figure out and was never explained. Among a lot of other things. It seemed almost like there were significant parts of the movie which were edited out.
Those things didn't strike me as unrealistic. Omar & Co certainly seemed to be worried when the holligans approached the car until Omar recognized Johnny and walked right up to him. The situation seemed under control after that. Not sure which part you mean with "confronting relatives with a history of violence." The sex, as in real life, felt like spontaneous, carefree actions in the moment.
The Pakistani family appeared to be involved in many businesses, some of them probably not legal. The legal ones looked to be a limo service, a parking garage, and a few storefront operations, of which the titular laundrette was one. Omar's Papa refers to his own brother as "a crook" and warns his son about getting too involved with him.
The drug transaction was something Omar's cousin was doing on the side, probably for his own use. Omar stole the money from that deal and used it to renovate the laundrette. The cousin suspected that Omar had ripped him off, but waited until late in the story to act on it, when he could pressure Omar. |
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ehle64 |
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:53 pm |
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Earl wrote: The sex, as in real life, felt like spontaneous, carefree actions in the moment.
Such a beautiful scene, the joy of opening up a new place, with your lover, in a hidden area. I loved when the Uncle kinda walks in on them dressing, and he's like "what are you doing, sunbathing?" Priceless. |
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Earl |
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:15 pm |
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By the way, is Stephen Frears the one who is always on the phone in the laundrette pleading with his girlfriend, "C'mon, Angela."? The guy kinda looked like the photos on page one of this thread.
So what's up next in the Frears discussion? I'll go ahead and put The Grifters and High Fidelity in the queue since I'm sure they'll come up. Just want to know which one should be at the top. I've seen both, but not since their theatrical releases. |
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ehle64 |
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:45 pm |
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Not the whole review (I'll get to that eventually) but a nice blurb I found on a Kael Website:
Quote: My Beautiful Laundrette
UK (1985): Drama
98 min, Rated R, Color, Available on videocassette and laserdisc
A startlingly fresh movie about life in South London among the surly white street gangs who live on the dole and feel that they're in a dead-end society and the Pakistani immigrants who know that this society is the best they can hope for, and try to move upward by wriggling through the cracks. In the foreground is a love affair between a dark-eyed, softly handsome, almost flowerlike Pakistani teenager, Omar (Gordon Warnecke), who grew up in this neighborhood, and a young blond street lout, Johnny (Daniel Day-Lewis). They become partners when Omar persuades his slumlord uncle (Saeed Jaffrey) to let him have a ratty-looking failed launderette, and the two boys, using stolen money, turn it into the launderette of their flashy dreams. Directed by Stephen Frears, from a witty script by the young playwright Hanif Kureishi, who was born in South London to a Pakistani father and a white English mother, the film catches you up in the racketeering and decay of modern big-city life; you feel that your blinders have been taken off. Frears has a sensual, highly developed visual style, and he's responsive to the uncouthness and energy in English life--he's responsive to what went into the punk-music scene and to what goes into teenage gang life. It's an enormous pleasure to see a movie that's really about something, and that doesn't lay on any syrupy coating to make the subject go down easily. (It's down before you notice it.) Written for British television, on a budget of under $850,000, the film was shot in 16-mm; the blow-up to 35-mm is near-miraculous. The cast includes Shirley Anne Field, Roshan Seth, Rita Wolf, and Souad Faress. The cinematography is by Oliver Stapleton.
For a more extended discussion, see Pauline Kael's book Hooked.
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