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Shane |
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:23 am |
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IT"S OVER!!! He has resigned and the supreme council is now in charge until the elections...now the hard stuff begins!! |
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bartist |
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:37 am |
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Did the fat lady sing? |
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Shane |
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:49 am |
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Still IS!!! |
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gromit |
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:02 pm |
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Now can get to the nitty gritty of reforming.
Still all of Mubarak's military cronies running the show.
Let's see what the demonstrators ask for, and whether negotiations can begin.
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There was a pretty big disconnect between the army communique and the general going to Tahrir Square assuring protesters their demands would be --- and Mubarak's Tv address.
Wonder if Sulieman stays in place or if a military council takes over. That might be the real behind the scenes power struggle playing out. Mubarak was sidelined last week. |
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bartist |
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:33 pm |
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How goes the browsing, Earl?
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Earl |
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:37 pm |
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bartist wrote: How goes the browsing, Earl?
First time I've had time to check in for a couple days. Will try to comment more on film, tv and minor matters like peace in the Middle East. |
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bartist |
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:09 pm |
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I didn't mean to ambush you or anything. For some stupid reason, I always notice that little note at the bottom of the homepage that says who is "browsing" currently....and thought it would be funny to greet said browser. Maybe not that funny. |
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yambu |
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:36 pm |
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Wicky-Whacky-Woo
Glenn Beck has gone 'round the bend. From the first Cairo news day, he's been saying how a consortium of Arab Communists and the Muslim Brotherhood are poised to take over Egypt, then move on through the Middle East, through Italy, France and Spain, establishing a multi-national caliphate that will finally threaten our shores. |
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:57 pm |
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It's always sad when a man who represents reason and level-headed thinking, like Beck, suddenly says something crazy. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:12 pm |
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You're being sarcastic, Joe, right? |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:46 pm |
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Does that really require an answer? Yes, I'm being sarcastic. |
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Shane |
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:06 am |
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Gary I don't think anyone, even here, could ever accuse Glen Beck of being level headed. |
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gromit |
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:41 am |
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If Mubarak really has leadership withdrawal and a tough time letting go, there are other countries he could govern. He could be President of Somalia. They need a good autocrat who knows how to keep order.
Actually the more you hear, the more it sounds like Mubarak ran an East German or Ceausescu style system with informers and secret police everywhere.
I'm unsure why no one mentions the Turkish model for Egypt. A secular democracy insured by the military. Not perfect but seems to work. I guess Arabs bristle at comparisons with Turkey, which ruled over them for a few centuries. Still it represents a model in the region conducted by Muslims. And Turkey is starting to get its economic act together and expanding its influence. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:27 am |
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" A secular democracy insured by the military. "
It is still secular but the Islamist, president or prime minister, I forget which one is the ruler there, is slowly changing the rules of their secular constitution and he has pretty effectively taken away the power of the military, by appointing military leaders who agree with him and has arrested top military officials that don't agree with his initiatives promoting Islamism. He is moving very slowly because he knows he has to.
I don't trust him one bit. He is going against what Ataturk set down. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:05 am |
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Ironically the secular democracy of Israel is confronting a similar problem with there ultra orthodox population which is multiplying like rabbits and are just as fanatic and primitive as the Islamists. They used to be just a pain in the ass, defacing billboards that they considered immodest and harassing women (even throwing stones), who were in their neighbourhood and wore skirts that they thought exposed too much leg, but now they are a serious threat as they have children in double digits supported by government handouts and men who study the Torah all day and don't work at all but are also supported by government funds. And even ultra orthodox who do go into the army (unlike others who have to serve) and often go against the rules of the military in their actions.
Israel's elections give seats to any party that gets 10% (I think that's the number) of the vote and this has given the ultra religious parties a disproportionate influence in the Knesset which inevitably has a ruling party that has to form a coalition to maintain a majority and remain in power.
This whole system that I wrote about has to be changed or the country will have very serious problems within it's own population. I don't believe the secular Jews which make up the largest part of the Jewish population will stand for this system of catering to the medieval element for much longer.
I haven't even mentioned the arrogant attitude so many of the ultra orthodox in the settlements in the West Bank have that is a big problem that the government combats, though often not very effectively.
Fanatics are fanatics and they are always big trouble. |
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