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| daffy |
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| I never saw Breaking the Waves, but Emily Watson was terrific in The Boxer, Hilary and Jackie, Angela's Ashes, and Gosford Park. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:50 pm |
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Billy,
I've never seen Darling, so I've always thought of Vanessa Redgrave as a sort of also-ran. I've liked her quite a bit in certain movies (Don't Look Now, McCabe and Mrs. Miller, Shampoo), but she's not on my A-list. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:00 pm |
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Quote: I've always thought of Vanessa Redgrave as a sort of also-ran. I've liked her quite a bit in certain movies (Don't Look Now, McCabe and Mrs. Miller, Shampoo), but she's not on my A-list.
what alternate universe do you live in? Redgrave wasn't in any of the films you mention. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:05 pm |
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I know you meant Julie Christie. In which case calling her "an also ran" is
extraordinarily ignorant. Christie appeared in some of the pivotal films of the 60s and 70s. And she was very very good in them. What qualifies her as "an also ran"? She didn't extend her acting career beyond the point of being inspired or relevent. She didn't just take gigs for the paycheck. Christie is one actor who has integrity. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:12 pm |
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| How incredibly embarrassing...can't believe I did that. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:19 pm |
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| Marc--Joe was responding to my post about Christie being overrated. So your rant should properly be directed at me. All Joe did wrong was mess up the name. And, yes, Julie Christie did appear in some pivotal films, but that doesn't make her a great actress. If we're talking about actresses in pivotal films, then I prefer the relatively unheralded Janet Leigh (Psycho, The Manchurian Candidate, Touch of Evil) to the Oscared and critically revered (and, not coincidentally, British) Christie. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:21 pm |
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| However, Julie Christie was (before her recent plastic surgery) a breathtakingly beautiful woman. I still remember seeing her live in Uncle Vanya (I sat verrrry close) and being blown away--not by her quite mediocre performance but by her sensational physical affect. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:35 pm |
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Quote: How incredibly embarrassing...can't believe I did that.
Blame it on the full moon. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:01 am |
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| My reason for not putting Christie on my A-list is that I don't find her all that interesting onscreen. I like her. I found her very sympathetic in McCabe and I thought she gave a good performance in Shampoo, and was close to great her final scene with Beatty. But over all, she just doesn't wow me. I don't think it's because she's too subtle and I'm wanting something more showy (though I considered this). Her performances are good, appealing, not top tier. Not for me, anyway. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:28 am |
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Darling is a little overlong, but a fine film.
Christie is pretty captivating throughout.
Like a European film in many ways.
Seems to have borrowed from Antonioni and Godard.
From an article about Samuel Beckett.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/13/books/13ross.html
Anyone familiar with this short film (or the trilogy)?
Quote: Samuel Beckett's only trip to the United States was in 1964 to observe the filming of a short script he had written for a film project Mr. Rosset had envisioned as a trilogy also involving Ionesco and Mr. Pinter. Beckett's contribution was called "Film" and starred Buster Keaton — after Zero Mostel and Charlie Chaplin had turned down the role. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:34 am |
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| Julie Christie's breakthrough film was actually Billy Liar, in which she scored mightily in a silent montage filmed somewhat like a television commercial. She got to flash her killer smile, flick her fabulous hair, and basically behave like a charismatic supermodel. IMO that was her real talent--enchanting behavior, not acting. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:35 am |
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| daffy--The only movie I've really responded to Emily Watson in is Punch Drunk Love, in which she has good chemistry with Adam Sandler, of all people. I daresay most Watson fans would think of PDL as being her most minor credit. But otherwise her rather Chaplinesque qualities do nothing for me. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:30 am |
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Watched the seductive neo-noir Night Moves (1975) again last night. Am buying it from Amazon this morning. Truly one of the best movies I've ever seen, with a Hackman performance for the ages. Arthur Penn's direction is simply great. What happened to his career? Bonnie and Clyde, Night Moves (in my opinion a step up from B&C), and then basically nothing of interest.
As for Jennifer Warren, one of the sexiest ladies ever to grace a noir, her career went absolutely nowhere after this film. Wha'?????
In any case, the movie speaks for itself. It's a classic, a masterpiece, a memorable genre piece which transcends the genre...and the very supreme definition of an underrated film. If this movie had been made in France (and in fact it's very European in flavor) it would be an acknowledged classic. As it stands, it's up to aficionados to spread the word. (And Melanie Griffith made her breakthrough here too.) |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:31 am |
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| mo_flixx |
| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:04 am |
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billyweeds wrote: However, Julie Christie was (before her recent plastic surgery) a breathtakingly beautiful woman. I still remember seeing her live in Uncle Vanya (I sat verrrry close) and being blown away--not by her quite mediocre performance but by her sensational physical affect.
Do you happen to have any links for photos of Christie after surgery? I don't think I've seen any of her since then. |
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