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| Mr. Brownstone |
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:34 pm |
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Souix:
I agree with you regarding F9-11. Moore handed his detractors a wonderful opportunity to dismiss the legitimacy of the film's points of contention by injecting his own persona into the film when unfettered reality is so much more powerful and persuasive.
Regarding the 7 minutes, I would have just done a split screen of the President listening to the children read (remember, he wasn't even reading to them, just following along) and the events in New York City. No commentary at all. Just let the tape run for 7 minutes.
The most insurmountable problem F9-11 has is its target audience, which would be those predisposed to defend this administration. I don't think there's much you can do about that, though.
Remember the scene of the grieving mother in DC? The other woman approaches them and claims the entore scene is fake and the Mom didn't lose a son? Once she recognizes the sincerity of the crying Mom, she immediately dismisses her, telling her to "go blame Al Qeada."
Aside from the utter ignorance of the statement (Iraq does not equal Al Qeada), her unflinching knee-jerk attempts to marginalize this grieving Mom was stunning. There's not a moment of compassion, not even a stiff "Sorry for your loss."
I don't think it really matters what information you present to that audience, or how you present it. |
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| Ghulam |
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:08 pm |
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| Befade, the quote you attribute to me is actually from Sioux. I have not yet seen Enron. |
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| ehle64 |
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:25 pm |
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| I have just wallowed through the first two installments of Eros. Wong Kar Wai's The Hand and Steven Soderbergh's Equilibrium. I had to turn it off. Perhaps after some distance from those two exercises in whatever-the-fuck, I might enjoy the Antonioni. I have such a bad taste in my mouth right now. |
_________________ It truly disappoints me when people do something for you via no prompt of your own and then use it as some kind of weapon against you at a later time and place. It is what it is. |
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| lady wakasa |
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:10 pm |
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Syd wrote: I don't think Tropical Malady's been reviewed here. This is a Thai film which finished high in the Village Voice poll, but I found it disappointing. It falls neatly into two parts. It starts off with a group of Thai soldiers finding a dead body in a field, and they take it to a country town to dispose of it. As they take off, we see a naked man walking down a road unseen. This naked man is a shaman who we will not meet again until more than half way through the film.
One of the soldiers then goes to a big city (Bangkok, I assume), where he meets a young man from the country and tries to start a gay relationship. This takes place through a series of episodes, many of which go on too long, and some of which are irrelevant. This section really needs editing. I get the feeling it's padded to give the two sections of the film equal length.
The soldier then returns to the village where he overhears a report of a cow being killed by a monster. At this point the screen goes black for twenty or thirty seconds.
We are then told of a mysterious shaman who could take the form of animals and was once killed, but whose ghost still prowls the jungle. The soldier goes into the jungle to investigate. He comes across tracks of a wild animal, but as he follows them, they transform into human footprints. These are the prints of the naked and ghostly shaman, and for the rest of the movie the soldier will pursue and be pursued by the shaman. This is intended to parallel the first half of the movie.
This second section of the movie is much more effective, with great use of jungle scenery and sound effects, and I was creeped out during a lot of it. However, it's not enough to recommend the movie.
Actually, I think there was a bit of discussion about it, but that was over a year ago. I saw it in Sept-Oct '04, and while it was beautiful, I'm not sure that the two parts fit that well together (beyond the obvious). But the myth (second part) *is* about love taking over the personality, etc. |
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| Marc |
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:28 pm |
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| I posted a small review of TROPICAL MALADY a year or so ago. |
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| Syd |
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:47 pm |
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| I found it (and finally figured out how to use the search function in the process). You only wrote a few lines on it. It doesn't look like anyone else said anything about it. Did you ever get to screen it in Taos? |
_________________ Rocky Laocoon foretold of Troy's doom, only to find snaky water. They pulled him in and Rocky can't swim. Now Rocky wishes he were an otter! |
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| mo_flixx |
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:05 pm |
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I noticed a big difference between the script of the movie "Mysterious Skin" and the book's passages read by the actors in the extras of the DVD.
Number 1: this makes me want to read the book.
Number 2: has anyone here read the book?
Did you notice this difference? I won't go into certain differences because of SPOILERS, but I was surprised that there was such a difference between the book and screenplay. |
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| Marj |
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:10 pm |
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| Tim -- Excellent points and excellent post. |
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| mo_flixx |
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:21 pm |
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Which is better -
Netflix or Green Cine? |
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| Marc |
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:23 pm |
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Green Cine.
Mondo Video is best. |
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| mo_flixx |
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:25 pm |
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Marc wrote: Green Cine.
Mondo Video is best.
Of course it is, but you have to live in Taos! |
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| shannon |
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:50 am |
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Quote: I have just wallowed through the first two installments of Eros. Wong Kar Wai's The Hand and Steven Soderbergh's Equilibrium. I had to turn it off. Perhaps after some distance from those two exercises in whatever-the-fuck, I might enjoy the Antonioni. I have such a bad taste in my mouth right now.
Antonioni's is supposedly the worst of the bunch according to all that I've read. I believe Ebert gave the Kar Wai four stars, the Soderbergh three-and-a-half and the Antonioni one star. |
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| gromit |
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:07 am |
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Marj wrote: Tim -- Excellent points and excellent post.
Hey, you just saved Billy a post.
And speaking of that fellow, today I snagged a copy of Sgt. Kabukiman, N.Y.P.D. I didn't realize that it had swept the Oscars in 1991. Thought it was a much earlier film. Turns out it's in that great run of Toxic Avenger flicks.
Let me know if you want or need a copy or some copies of Sgt. K-man. If so, I'll toss it in when I send some off some dvd's to friends in NYC.
Billy, I wonder if you know either Seymour Wishman (producer, distributor) or Laurence Lerman (film critic, flunky)? I think they were both connected with Kino, but had dealings with Troma. Both NYC folks. |
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| billyweeds |
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:16 am |
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gromit wrote: Marj wrote: Tim -- Excellent points and excellent post.
Hey, you just saved Billy a post.
And speaking of that fellow, today I snagged a copy of Sgt. Kabukiman, N.Y.P.D. I didn't realize that it had swept the Oscars in 1991. Thought it was a much earlier film. Turns out it's in that great run of Toxic Avenger flicks.
Let me know if you want or need a copy or some copies of Sgt. K-man. If so, I'll toss it in when I send some off some dvd's to friends in NYC.
Billy, I wonder if you know either Seymour Wishman (producer, distributor) or Laurence Lerman (film critic, flunky)? I think they were both connected with Kino, but had dealings with Troma. Both NYC folks.
gromit--Don't know either of the gentlemen. Thanks for the comment on the 1991 Oscars. I'm a little too modest to talk about it. Have you seen the movie yet? Lemme know; I can take it. |
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| billyweeds |
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:29 am |
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| Saw a marginally interesting but quite annoying movie called Funny Ha Ha which inexplicably made several ten-best lists of 2005, including (I'm almost sure) A.O. Scott's in the Times. It's a Cassavetes wannabe romantic comedy (does that sound like a contradication in terms? Not quite) which employs that mix of scripted and improvised dialogue which always embarrasses me. It's about a bunch of slackers in Boston who have just finished college and don't know what to do with the rest of their lives. They are boring and depressing, though very occasionally funny ha ha. The movie is not worth the time, and A.O. Scott once again proves himself pretentious and trendoid. |
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