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Trish
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:12 am Reply with quote
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ehle64 wrote:
I wanted to nominate the always brilliant Celia Weston over Amy Adams for Blanche, but knew it would have been a throwaway. While Amy Adams was excellent, the more difficult character was that of the Mother and Weston pulls it off splendidly.


Yes she's a wonderful actress - I remember a very pivotal scene in the film In The Bedroom She played a close friend of the parents (Wilkenson & Spacek) and she began talking about the importance of children etc (I forget the exact context) and then stopped herself and gave this very pained look that was brilliant for the moment - realizing how her friend must have taken her comment - i know i'm not giving this particular scene the justice it deserves - but really it was a great, moving moment
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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:16 am Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
Trish, there was alot of Junebugging going on in Current Film a few days ago. The movie hasn't sat well with me. Lots of exaggerated Southern stereotypes, and exaggerated actions. Noone capable of making a simple compromise. Noone aware of how their behavior effects others. Mostly I fault the script-writing.


The most extreme example of the no-compromise thing was George's last-minute insistence that Madeleine get all involved in the baby to the exclusion of her sealing the deal which was the reason they came down there in the first place. I found George's actions reprehensible--and completely, utterly believable.
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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:18 am Reply with quote
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Celia Weston is a marvelous actress who still was a complete washout as Mom in the Philip Seymour Hoffman-John C. Reilly True West on Broadway. Sam Shepard wrote two great roles, a sorta okay one in the agent, and a real stinker in Mom. Weston was in a no-win situation. It's a case of bad writing happening to good actors.
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ehle64
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:20 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
Celia Weston is a marvelous actress who still was a complete washout as Mom in the Philip Seymour Hoffman-John C. Reilly True West on Broadway. Sam Shepard wrote two great roles, a sorta okay one in the agent, and a real stinker in Mom. Weston was in a no-win situation. It's a case of bad writing happening to good actors.


I completely agree. It was a shame, actually. Reilly and Hoffman were both outstanding, though. Did you see both versions?

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Trish
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:21 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
gromit wrote:
Trish, there was alot of Junebugging going on in Current Film a few days ago. The movie hasn't sat well with me. Lots of exaggerated Southern stereotypes, and exaggerated actions. Noone capable of making a simple compromise. Noone aware of how their behavior effects others. Mostly I fault the script-writing.


The most extreme example of the no-compromise thing was George's last-minute insistence that Madeleine get all involved in the baby to the exclusion of her sealing the deal which was the reason they came down there in the first place. I found George's actions reprehensible--and completely, utterly believable.


It was a very telling scene nonetheless, a sort of test

There was a sort of foreshadowing - a scene at the church gathering -when someone calls her by her married name and she is oblivious to it - and I think (Celia) the Mother says Don't you know who you are (you aren't just an individual anymore - you part of a marriage, a family)
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gromit
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:23 am Reply with quote
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SPOILERS??


While watching, I thought about how simple it would be for her to stop in the hospital with her husband for 15 minutes or whatever, and then continue on, solo, to deal with the artist. Either one of them could have offered up such a simple and obvious solution. Mostly, they were just waiting around the hospital lounge anyway. 15 minutes or slightly more wasn't crucial to getting the artist to sign. It seemed like a rather contrived dilemma.

When heading home in an unnecessary rush, it would also have been easy to hit the hospital for a while.
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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:23 am Reply with quote
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The rest of the cast was just as wonderful as Amy Adams, I agree. It's an example of one role stealing focus because she's just so darned cute.
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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:25 am Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
SPOILERS??


While watching, I thought about how simple it would be for her to stop in the hospital with her husband for 15 minutes or whatever, and then continue on, solo, to deal with the artist. Either one of them could have offered up such a simple and obvious solution. Mostly, they were just waiting around the hospital lounge anyway. 15 minutes or slightly more wasn't crucial to getting the artist to sign. It seemed like a rather contrived dilemma.

When heading home in an unnecessary rush, it would also have been easy to hit the hospital for a while.


Literally, that's all true. But that's not the way life happens. People don't stop in the middle of psychological warfare to think, "Hey, this can all be worked out equitably." That would be too simple. Life is more often like a more realistic version of an episode of I Love Lucy.
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gromit
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:27 am Reply with quote
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I was impressed with Celia Weston as the Mother. Her role could have been expanded.
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Trish
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:27 am Reply with quote
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I thought she was cuter in Catch Me If YOu Can - While i think she did fine in Junebug - i wasn't bowled over by her perfromance - just part of a good ensemble - I mean I guess its easy to like her - as her character had sort of the purest heart - but i had to get used to it - as her character's over-friendly - chatterbox-ness really unnerved me (at first)
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gromit
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:30 am Reply with quote
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There was really no time pressure for either event. You don't know when the baby will come and there is no on-the-clock immediacy to getting the artist signed. Seemed so obvious to visit the hospital. Show up, be concerned, say nice words, and zoom off to the artist.
It seemed to me, while watching, highly unnatural and artificial that neither would think of that.
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Befade
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:53 am Reply with quote
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I hate to be behind in discussions. I finished HUSTLE & FLOW. JUNEBUG hasn’t arrived yet.

I would like to join the group that didn’t think Hustle was the ultimate wonderful exploration of the pimp/ho thing. What I did like about it was the scene at Arnel’s where D is hustling Skinny Black (Ludicris)...........I liked the way Terrance H. went through all the changes from confident to con to confounded to out of control. Otherwise, I thought he was too pretty boy, too self satisfied with his Memphis drawl. I see him as a matinee idol type........smooth, slick.

Of the actors, I like the two black hos the best. When interviewed on the dvd extras......you could see how much of a stretch they had made in their portrayals. I didn’t buy D’s love for Shug. I think his character was narcissistic (How can I make something of myself?) D showed no hint of his own sexuality throughout the movie. You didn’t see him trying to get some from any of his hos. Does this mean he just views sex as industry?

I wasn’t impressed that “D was making something of himself.” The song about how hard it is being a pimp wasn’t inspirational to me. (Translate to a song about how hard it is being a drunk, a crackhead, a thief. I can more easily see a woman’s song about how hard it is being a whore.) It isn’t that I don’t like rap. I think some of Eminem’s songs are brilliant. Same with Tupac.

I thought Taryn Manning’s characters declaration of “I want to do something” wasn’t inspirational either............it was so vague. I didn’t sense any genuine anguish..........just boredom.

I didn’t sense any self hatred (directed outward) in any of these characters.

I guess I’d refer back to Klute as having the best take on whoredom that I can remember.
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yambu
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:45 pm Reply with quote
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Befade wrote:
.....I wasn’t impressed that “D was making something of himself.” The song about how hard it is being a pimp wasn’t inspirational to me......
Naw, it was meant as ironic. That damn tune was an ear worm for me for the next three days. Pissed me off.
The other thing about D....in the real world he'd have been dead or out of business - not nearly hard enough for a pimp.
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Syd
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:31 pm Reply with quote
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Trish: I'd forgotten Amy Adams was the name of the actress in Catch Me If You Can. I really liked her in that movie. It makes me a lot more interested in Junebug.

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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:48 pm Reply with quote
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DVDs Out Today:

- Sam Peckinpah's the Legendary Westerns Collection
- The Virgin Spring (Criterion)
- Repo Man
- The Fog (talk about yer exploitation films)
- Flightplan
- Thumbsucker
- The Time Tunnel Vol. 1
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