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Marc
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:23 pm Reply with quote
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I'd define this as liberal editorializing a la Michael Moore, not outright supression of the truth a la Joseph McCarthy.


McCarthy thought he was exposing the truth.
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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:34 pm Reply with quote
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Marc wrote:
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I'd define this as liberal editorializing a la Michael Moore, not outright supression of the truth a la Joseph McCarthy.


McCarthy thought he was exposing the truth.


As I've said, I don't agree. I think he seized on a subject and worked it for his own self-aggradizement. There's little doubt he wanted to be President. Joseph Welch may have been the savior of this country.
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Marc
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:40 pm Reply with quote
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As I've said, I don't agree. I think he seized on a subject and worked it for his own self-aggradizement. There's little doubt he wanted to be President.


Of course he wanted be president. What politician doesn't?
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gromit
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:27 pm Reply with quote
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Picked up a dvd entitled Cartoon Noir. 6 animated shorts. Either this is very good stuff, or just a fine job of marketing. Maybe both. Looks cool. Hopefully I'll make it through 2 or 3 tonight before dozing off.

Also snagged Les Bonnes Femmes, a 1960 Chabrol film.

There was a Jacques Demy film about a pregnant man, played by Marcello Mastroianni. I've been meaning to catch up on Demy, but that sure didn't seem the place to start. I do have a dvd of Bay of Angels somewhere, and a documentary that Agnes Varda (his widow) made about his life.

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yambu
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:23 pm Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
....When I see McCarthy's smarmy, smirking face and hear his disgusting characterization of Welch as a "man who knows what a pixie is," then I am 13 years old again--and absolutely incensed, and obsessed.....
The slightly veiled homophobic exchange between the two was working both ways. If I recall, it was Welch who defind pixie for the Senator as being "a kind of fairy", to the delight of the audience.
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Mr. Brownstone
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:54 pm Reply with quote
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"Of course he wanted be president. What politician doesn't?"

Dick Cheney. James Baker III.

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jeremy
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:00 pm Reply with quote
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Maybe not now, but you bet they did.

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Mr. Brownstone
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:18 pm Reply with quote
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Cheney has repeatedly said in interviews he has never had any ambitions to be president. This is the one statement he has made that I just might believe.

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Shane
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:33 pm Reply with quote
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Let us not forget Carl Rove. He has said repeatedly his ambitions have been fulfilled time and again. This is a man whose agenda is very clear.
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tirebiter
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:38 am Reply with quote
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Cheney wanted desperately to be President back in the 80s. When it became evident that few shared his goal, he packed it in and signed on with Halliburton. And when George W. Bush asked him to head up his search for a vice president in '99, Cheney decided quickly that there was only one man for the job: himself. He still sees himself as the President, and I wouldn't put it past him to achieve his long-term goal by one means or another.
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Mr. Brownstone
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:33 am Reply with quote
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I think Cheney seems perfectly content to be vice-president. Why give up all that power and run for president?

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Shane
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:03 am Reply with quote
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'Cause he's tired of being stuffed into a closet at the Pentagon everytime the color coding changes?

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Mr. Brownstone
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:11 am Reply with quote
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I thought he was the one adjusting the colors in the first place.

I doubt Cheney gets stuffed anywhere by the Secret Service. I imagine when they try to grab him, he just picks one of them up in his giant mandible claw and crushes him, as a lesson to the other puny humans to not mess with evil cyborgs.

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Shane
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:01 pm Reply with quote
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LOL!!

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Ghulam
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:33 pm Reply with quote
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Since I thought Trainspotting and 28 Days Later were interesting and thought provoking movies, I decided to see Danny Boyle's Millions (2004). I was not disappointed. The theme and pace are diametrically opposite from his previous movies. This one is about children, their ways of thinking, their religiosity, and their struggles to cope with events. It is splendidly done.
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