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ehle64 |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:58 am |
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Ooh, @ the cheeburgah cheeburgah cheeburgah, no pepsi, coke! place? |
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Marilyn |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:02 am |
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Location: Skokie (not a bad movie, btw)
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ehle64 |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:06 am |
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hehehe
According to a review on Amazon.com, this person has this to say about Young Törless:
Quote: Robert Musil's "Confusions of Young Törless" was published in 1906, the twilight of 19th century certainties (Freud published "Studies in Hysteria" in 1895, "Interpretation of Dreams" in 1900; Franz Wedekind's "Spring Awakening" was published in 1890, first produced in 1906, and banned in 1908; Einstein's General Theory was less than a decade away), in Austria-Hungary, a semi-faux empire taking too long to rot away. The greatness of Musil's work lies in its distillation of the zeitgeist into a relatively simple narrative about an incident of abuse in a boys' academy. Once on paper, the novel (at times a meditation) transcends time and place, and makes a statement about adults and children dealing with passion, knowledge, order and justice, while trying to grasp within themselves that which in themselves they can neither control nor fully understand (ergo the metaphoric use of discussions about imaginary numbers) finally resorting to rationalization, dogma and discipline. Törless, his companions, his teachers and the school chaplain struggle in darkness, deluding themselves as having been truly enlightened in some fashion by experience, whereas each in their own way, seeks only to quiet internal turmoil and restore comprehensible order. Whatever else, the work is extremely ironic, nowhere more than in its title, as "Confusions" are not limited to Young Törless but to the whole world around him. Musil was 26 when it was published.
So perhaps If was inspired by that novel? Also, they both came out in 1968. |
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gromit |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:07 am |
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Young Torless was very good. But not very long (90 minutes or so). When I watched it, I actually hit fast-rewind and re-watched two whole scenes before continuing on. Rarely do I do that.
Torless stuck with me for quite a while after I watched it. A few scenes in YT were modelled directly on Lang's M. Fun trying to spot the homage (especially because M is my reference point for all German film, and it was interesting to find out that Scholondorff had the same touchstone).
Last weekend, I picked up another Schlondorff film, Circle of Deceit. One Dvd shop actually has a 1/2 price bin, in an attempt to move titles that aren't selling. Any cheaper and they'd be paying me to watch it. I'd been meaning to pick up CofD for quite a while. |
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Marilyn |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:12 am |
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tirebiter |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:27 am |
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Sounds like the film La Ciudad y los Perros (1985) by Vargas Llosa, also in a military school. |
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Marc |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:38 pm |
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Marc |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:43 pm |
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Shane |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:22 pm |
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Gad!! That even looks sick!! What a cast!!
Ehle, I wasn't sure but I'll keep trying to find out where the rip came off. I know for certain If was a total steal though. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:26 pm |
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If was from a book wasn't it? One of my friends saw it when it came out and thought it was fantastic. I never did see it thopugh. |
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Rod |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:27 pm |
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If... was partly pinched from Jean Vigo's Zero de Conduit. |
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Shane |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:28 pm |
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As far as I know the screenplay was put together after another film, much eariler, was seen by the director. |
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Rod |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:33 pm |
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David Sherwin and John Howlett wrote the script "Crusaders" when they were young film nuts in the v. early 60s. They wanted to Nicholas Ray to direct it and he couldn't make head nor tail of it. Also in the original draft its was Travis who had the affair with the blonde kid. Years later Sherwin resurrected the story alone. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:40 pm |
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My friend who loved it was from Manchester, England, so he may have felt a connection to it. |
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Rod |
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:50 pm |
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If... is a great film. The only thing it has going against it these days is the irritating tendency of people I often hear talking who were young and semi-hippie at the time of its release to moan about how it all seems so long ago and saying "I watched it now I'd find it terribly..." like I've heard said about many a great '60s film like Easy Rider and Alice's Restaurant. God I just want to jab people like that in the eye with a fork. |
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