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jeremy |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:25 am |
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It's all good practice for when LA gets it long awaited Big One. Of course, when the really big one happens, Yellowstone blows, it wouldn't make any difference who's in The Whitehouse, unless he's a mild mannered reporter with a penchant for wearing his underwear outside some rather fetching blue tights. |
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ehle64 |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:27 am |
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Quote: I got an entirely different read from actually watching that, than how it was portrayed int he media.
Me, too. It was apparently so powerful that NBC decided to censor it for the viewers on the West Coast. I'm really not a fan of his music, but I tell ya, I wanna run out and buy both his albums.
Check out the rest of that site, it's filled with amazingly brilliant stuff. I have to thank the Margaret Cho BLOG for leading me there. |
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gromit |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:29 am |
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I can see that angle.Although Penn talked about it as a rescue mission, not documenting the suffering.
All I have is:
"With the boat loaded with members of Penn's entourage, including a personal photographer, one bystander taunted the actor: "How are you going to get any people in that thing?"
Each one entourage member off equals one more person that could be rescued per trip. Good for Penn to be doing something. But how'd Penn get permission?
Did you read the story about the 500 boats from Lafayette (I think) that FEMA didn't let into NO?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/3/171718/0826
Their was a whole other thread of over a dozen stories about FEMA blocking aid to NO. |
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Marc |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:31 am |
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Quote: I'm really not a fan of his music, but I tell ya, I wanna run out and buy both his albums.
I did exactly that. And man, Kanye's sensibility is as visionary as Marvin Gaye's WHATS GOIN ON and Stevie Wonder's INNERVISIONS |
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ehle64 |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:36 am |
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Marc |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:53 am |
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My god! Charmaine Neville is one of New Orleans most celebrated musical artists. To see what she went thru is borderline incomprehensible. If a member of New Orleans most celebrated musical families has been treated like homemade shit imagine what the unknown Black citizens of N.O. endured. |
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ehle64 |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:54 am |
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I really don't want to believe the quotes on this page:
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/07/katrina_rape_murder_.html
Especially this:
Quote: 10:57 Raw transcript of comments by NOLA evacuee Clara Barthelemy: "The 17th street levee was bombed by the Army Corps of Engineers to save the more valuable real estate in the city… to keep the French Quarter protected, the ninth ward was sacrificed… people are afraid to speak out… everyone who was near there heard the bombings… they bombed seven times. That's why they didn't fix the levees… 20 feet of water. Gators. People dying in water. They let the parishes go, not the city center. Tourist trap was saved over human life. A six year old girl was raped in here.. 9 year old boy killed. A man in the shower beaten. No hot food. No help for elderly." |
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jeremy |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:07 am |
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An article in the Guardian intimated that there is little hard evidence to support most of the reports of rape and murder. I think the story the media wanted to report was "America's underbelly exposed," and they found what they were looking for (as you always will). Sure, it wasn't pretty: there was a lot of opportunistic criminal activity, and, in America, guns always gives this an added dimension, but I think the "Lord Of The Flies" scenario was overplayed. Considering the circumstances, the vast majority of people behaved with dignity and restraint.
I hate to think what would happen in your average English city if it was abandoned to gangs of feral teenagers and drug addicts. |
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judithannie |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:20 am |
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The thing that outraged me the most about the Kanye West situation was the statement NBC made, apologizing for his deviation from the script they gave him. |
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ehle64 |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:00 am |
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jeremy wrote: An article in the Guardian intimated that there is little hard evidence to support most of the reports of rape and murder. I think the story the media wanted to report was "America's underbelly exposed," and they found what they were looking for (as you always will)
I think if people like the Mayor, the Police Chief and several other Citizens of the United States that laid witness to those things said they occurred, you can fucking bet they did. Hard evidence? WTF???
I have also questioned, who needs to rape after just 3-4-5 days? However, the Mayor so poignantly put it, there are a LOT of drugs going in and out of NO, and there are a LOT of drug addicts looking for something to passify their jones.
It's all just too much. |
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jeremy |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:18 am |
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It's all apocryphal. I've heard lots of hearsay, but, for instance, I've not seen an interview with a tearful mother, neither am I aware of any official complaints or police reports being filed. In my opinion there's a lot of bad, chicken licken journalism going on. I'm not saying bad things haven't happened, and perhaps in the circumstances, it's no surprise that there is little hard information, but I think, that on both sides of the political divide, it suits peoples prejudices and mood to believe the worst. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:35 am |
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Ghulam wrote: Letter in The New York Times :
While touring the Astrodome in Texas, which is being used as a relocation site, Barbara Bush, the president's mother, made a comment that rivals "Let them eat cake" in its arrogant and clueless insensitivity.
"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway," she said, "so this is working very well for them" (news article, Sept. 7).
The remark is a revealing insight into the sort of aristocratic and detached "family values" held by the Bush family. It helps explain the gut-level sympathy that seemed missing in the president's response to a catastrophe that fell hardest on our most vulnerable citizens.
Anything Barbara Bush says is unsurprising to me: she is one of the most repellent public-eye people in history, What absolutely appalls me is that it takes a letter to talk about this in the NYTimes. Why was there not an editorial, officially disgracing this horrible, horrible woman? The Time is copping out by running that as a letter to the editor. The media have an obligation to make sure that Barbara Bush is publically derided for this disgusting comment. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:57 am |
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Quote: she is one of the most repellent public-eye people in history
Word. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:58 am |
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The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. |
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lshap |
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:08 am |
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marantzo wrote: The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
It wouldn't have a chance. Barbara would have the maid place it back onto the branch. |
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