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Marilyn
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:17 pm Reply with quote
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I like Almost Famous and love Say Anything. But that line is aimed at women who want a man to be very romantic. If a man said that to me, however, I'd run shreiking in the other direction. It's a very scary thing, though a young hetero woman who believes we should be as one with our lover would kill to have a man say that to her.

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Marj
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:22 pm Reply with quote
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What scares me about that line is the thought that any woman can't feel complete until she has found that certain someone.
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lshap
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:23 pm Reply with quote
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it's Cruise who finally admits that Zellweger completes him, not the other way around -- it's not saying women need a man to complete them; it's saying an arrogant man good at friendships and bad with love has found someone strong enough to meet Cruise in the middle and give him a reason not to fall back on his athlete best friends in times of woe.


Makes sense, and also because his earlier gambit of looking into her eyes and whispering "Nice tits!" didn't work.
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Marilyn
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:24 pm Reply with quote
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It's scarier coming from a man. What a burden if you don't behave as he would have the part of him you complete.

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Marj
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:27 pm Reply with quote
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LOL! Lorne. I had forgotten. Usually I hear it said by women. But I doubt they say it to a man, rather about a man. I think it would make any man run to the hills.
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Private Joker
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:27 pm Reply with quote
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But in the context of the film, it's quite a turnaround for the Cruise character, who is anything but romantic. When they agree to get married, it's not a proposal. He says, "uh, well, what if we got married or something. You know? Then you wouldn't have to move to San Diego." Yeah. How romantic.

Then there's the scene in the kitchen after the first night they sleep together. Zellweger tells Bonnie Hunt, "I love him! I love him, I love him, I love him. I love him for the man he wants to be, and the man he almost is." Cruise overhears this, and feels hurt, then says "good morning. ladies." As far as I remember, he never tells Zellweger he loves her. He just likes to make speeches.

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Marilyn
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:31 pm Reply with quote
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If I saw the movie, it would be for Zellweger. She has turned in some great performances. I'd be interested in seeing what she could do with a straightforward romantic role.

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Private Joker
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:34 pm Reply with quote
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Marj wrote:
What scares me about that line is the thought that any woman can't feel complete until she has found that certain someone.


This would be true if the line was spoken by a woman. Tom Cruise does not play a woman in this film in my opinion.

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Marj
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:35 pm Reply with quote
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"I love him for the man he wants to be, and the man he almost is."

Wow, this film is chock full of quotable quotes. And while this is touching it is also scary. It smacks of wanting to fix a man.

But I see your point Joker.
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Marilyn
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:38 pm Reply with quote
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"You make me want to be a better man." Nicholson to Hunt in As Good As It Gets

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Private Joker
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:44 pm Reply with quote
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Marj wrote:
And while this is touching it is also scary. It smacks of wanting to fix a man.


I agree that it's scary when women want to fix a man -- there's the cliche of the innocent girl who likes dating bad guys because she thinks she's the one who can tame him, etc.

But you've reminded me of another thing I like about the movie, which is that Cruise likes Zellweger because she isn't trying to change anything about him -- in fact, she is trying to keep him from straying from his principles. She was moved by his memo ("it was a mission statement") and wants him to stick to the morals he expressed there. After getting fired, Cruise starts to give up on his dream, but Zellweger keeps telling him to live by his own words in that mission statement. When Cruise comes back to her in the end, he realizes that Zellweger of all people believed more in the MS than anyone. And whereas he used to be a man that loved himself, now he loves a woman who has become a better version of himself -- what he wanted to be. Dorothy Boyd is yet another example of Crowe's strong female characters (Frances McDormand, Kyra Sedgewick, Kate Hudson, Penelope Cruz, etc.)

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chillywilly
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:50 pm Reply with quote
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Marj wrote:
Not to presume and not to push anyone to see a movie they don't want to see, I think Joker's point was that this movie had more to it than just the love interest. It really is a fun film and one of the few flms I felt Cruise was perfect for. In fact, even though it's been some time since I've seen it, I thought the love interest was the weakest part of the movie. It was just a little too cute for my taste. But the rest of the movie is certainly worth it.

Re: using lines from movies... I've heard more than enough unoriginal men use those lines and it's funny to hear. Almost have to hold back for fear of getting my ass kicked at bars and other public meat markets.... he he

As for the movie, I agree... it's a fun film and Cruise does very well in it.

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chillywilly
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:07 pm Reply with quote
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Private Joker wrote:
But you've reminded me of another thing I like about the movie, which is that Cruise likes Zellweger because she isn't trying to change anything about him -- in fact, she is trying to keep him from straying from his principles. She was moved by his memo ("it was a mission statement") and wants him to stick to the morals he expressed there. After getting fired, Cruise starts to give up on his dream, but Zellweger keeps telling him to live by his own words in that mission statement. When Cruise comes back to her in the end, he realizes that Zellweger of all people believed more in the MS than anyone. And whereas he used to be a man that loved himself, now he loves a woman who has become a better version of himself -- what he wanted to be. Dorothy Boyd is yet another example of Crowe's strong female characters (Frances McDormand, Kyra Sedgewick, Kate Hudson, Penelope Cruz, etc.)

Wonderfully put, joker. And very much agree with the last line... Crowe is amazing at showcasing strong female characters.

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Rod
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Stratosphere Girl

is a pan-Eurasian film - directed by a German, set in Sweden and Japan, with a French heroine, with dialogue in English. Global village film-making, ho!

Angela (Chloe Winkel) is the title character, the French girl going to school in Sweden who encounters young handsome DJ Yamamoto (Jon Yang) and falls quickly in lust. On Yamamoto's suggestion, our comic-book-loving, constantly sketching and fantasizing heroine heads on her own for Tokyo to get a job hostessing to get money and wait for Yamamoto to complete his arc back to his home city. Angela struggles to make a home in Tokyo, ever the vertiginous, cacophonous, nocturnal wonderland, oddly alien and warm both. She lives with a gathering of fellow Euro-wastrels in an overcrowded apartment where leaning too hard on a wall might send you tumbling through into the next flat. Angela, at first hard-up, finally snares a job at a karaoke nightclub, where the highly bitchy fellow hostesses like to haze each-other with shit in the shampoo and glass in your teriyaki. But the Japanese guys love her cheeky style and Francais-chic beauty. Angela begins to make a small fortune but not as much as another girl who offers what the Japs call "the view into eternity" (spreading her legs). Angela soon finds herself intrigued by the disappearence of a fellow hostess, Larissa, a Russian girl, who might have been murdered whilst giving a private party organised by the sleazy emigre businessman Kruilman (Filip Peeters, who suggests a Dwight Frye for the iPod age).

Post-modern is the setting and post-modern is the style; Stratosphere Girl is a fascinating collision of styles; dashes of nouvelle vague, Hitchcockian dream-thriller, experimentalist visual collage. Where most modern European films have in recent years become clinical, this film sports '60s-ish fetishistic love of evoking texture, atmosphere, and visual splendour. Like Lost In Translation, Tokyo is the major subject of the film, the hyperkenetic muse. If that film had decided to be a Hitchcockian thriller, this is what it would look like; the contrast between the hard-working girls trying to make a quid and the undercurrent of untellable menace reminded me distinctly of Bergman's The Serpent's Egg; but it is finally not as serious as it appears and builds to an amusing climax. The surface swirls in beautiful transluscent colours and a so-chic style that constantly intercuts between the film and Angela's sketches of those people, scenes, and things she encounters, which dovetails finally with the film's highly playful sense of reality. It is far from a great film - chiefly because of the stilted acting, especially from the otherwise gorgeous Ms Winkel, and finally the rather conceited excess of perception-bending - I'll happily put it under my "Weird and Interesting" banner.

Also very happy to see Burt Kwouk as the nightclub's wheelchair-bound personnel manager.

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mo_flixx
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:05 pm Reply with quote
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I wanted to recommend a documentary out on DVD - "How Arnold Won the West." This is a film by Brit. director Cooke who followed the Calif. governor campaign.
The movie shows what a total circus this election was - the porn queen candidate, the nightly TV game show with the candidates, etc.
Cooke looks at Schwartzenegger's background, his winning campaign formula, and how he (and the Republican Machine) basically bought the governorship through the use of a little known 100-yr. old law.
This DVD can be purchased at amazon.com in the U.S. and Canada. It's one that Marc should get for his store (maybe he already has it).
In any case, I don't think it's going to be playing at any theaters or on TV in the near future.
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