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| billyweeds |
 Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:48 am |
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mo_flixx wrote: I listened to snippets of this great NPR pgm. on Bernstein about a month ago. The part I heard (extremely interesting) was about what a big hit he made with his daughter Jamie when he did musicological analyses of the music of the Beatles.
You may have heard--btw I haven't absolutely determined if this factoid is true or not, but I think it is--that Jami Bernard, the movie critic for the New York Daily News--is Jamie Bernstein, Leonard's daughter. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:54 am |
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Billy,
I love Berlin, and love the score to Annie Get Your Gun (one of the great Broadway scores, and, to my ear, his best), but can you explain why you consider it a superior score to Porgy and Bess or (my personal fave) Carousel? I guess I'm asking, do you consider it the best score ever, or simply your favorite? |
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| tirebiter |
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:01 am |
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Why not devise a point system and assign a 1-to-10 designation to each of the songs of Berlin and Rogers and Bernstein and Porter and Gershwin? Create a spreadsheet laying out the relative merit of each and every one of their songs. In this manner, you will ascertain which is best.
And it should keep you busy for awhile.... |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:16 am |
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Rod,
You know what really got me in Cannery Row was the little kid who hero-worshiped Doc and then embarrassed himself trying to serve drinks at one of his parties and ran and hid in the basement. I think it's really emotionally powerful and no adaptation has even included that character. |
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| merlot |
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:19 am |
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Kate - I will warn you both of the Del Toro's are very creepy. They will get under your skin. They are both in Spanish and star the great actor, Federico Luppi. Backbone has more of a political backstory and is a much deeper film.
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| merlot |
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:21 am |
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chillywilly wrote: Helboy is one that I want to see, but i'm in no rush to see it.
The pseudo-future-action flicks like these are not an initial draw to me. Normally they have to grow on me or someone has to recommend them before I'll go drop a 5 spot for the rental on them.
Now this Sin City.... i think I may have to break tradition and see this one.
Chilly - Didn't you just say you liked Van Helsing ???????
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| gromit |
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:40 am |
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| I love Jimmy Rushing's version of Russian Lullabye. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:00 am |
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I picked up a 2-disc DVd containing 4 Vivien Leigh movies.
They are all short, so 2 movies fit per disc.
All from 1937-38.
Dark Journey (w/ Conrad Veidt)
Fire Over England (w/ Olivier and James Mason)
Sidewalks of London (w/ Charles LAughtona nd Rex Harrison)
Storm in a Teacup (w/ Rex Harrison)
I'm not familiar with these films. Anyone know any of these or have any comments? |
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| Marilyn |
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:19 am |
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Joe - Ehle's right (thanks, E.). I would never tell Billy he doesn't know what a good musical is--obviously, he's one of the most qualified people here with regard to musicals. But I don't agree about Easter Parade. I did think your accusation was way too generalized, but I was more interested in talking about the relative merits of the movie than with defending my honor.
Rod - I really enjoyed your review of Vera Drake, and essentially, I agree with it. I found Vera's brusqueness with the girls she "helps" to be an interesting detail. Is it how she blinds herself to the crime she is committing or the anguish of the girls? I found her character to be fascinating and not terribly sympathetic in many ways. While two and half years in prison may not seem like a terrible sentence to you, in fact, losing your freedom for any time is an awful price, not to mention the effect on her family both socially, emotionally, and economically. Middle-class families are the most conventional of families, and this sort of thing, particularly in the 50s was bound to be a devastation on a number of levels.
Vera Drake is a small film, and its impact is not as strong as it could be. But I admired the fact that Leigh just decided to tell the story, without the histrionics that normally accompany these After-School Special sorts of stories. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:29 am |
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Marilyn,
Wish you'd extend the same courtesy to me in terms of what my post implied as you want extended towards your own. |
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| Marilyn |
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:34 am |
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| Your statement was about not being able to appreciate why people go to the movies, as though not liking Star Wars is the litmus test for one's ability to discern the impulse for entertainment. I thought that was reaching quite a lot, and I still do. You know it doesn't have anything to do with my personal feelings about you; I just think you sometimes come out with these broad statements that seem ill-thought-out to me. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:54 am |
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I'll accept that (and certainly that it was an overly-broad statement written from emotion). But you did tell me I was rude, not even that I sounded rude, without giving me the benefit of the doubt that perhaps I hadn't intended to offend anyone.
It hurt my feelings. I guess that's what it comes down to.
Quote: You know it doesn't have anything to do with my personal feelings about you
I appreciate that, and really don't need any more on the subject. Thank you. |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:04 am |
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I have a soft spot for kitsch Hammer-stlye horror (you can't touch it) and I was willing to cut Van Helsing a lot of slack, unfortunately my goodwill was just about used up by the end of the Mr Hyde sequence, which occurs pretty early on, and by the time Frankenstein's monster gets in on the act...well it was a complete pile of dung that seemed to go on forever.
It was a shame; I felt it had bags of potential to be fun classic in the mold of Raiders or The Mummy. |
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| Marilyn |
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:05 am |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:54 am |
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tirebiter wrote: Why not devise a point system and assign a 1-to-10 designation to each of the songs of Berlin and Rogers and Bernstein and Porter and Gershwin? Create a spreadsheet laying out the relative merit of each and every one of their songs. In this manner, you will ascertain which is best.
And it should keep you busy for awhile....
Cute. But it's Rodgers with a "D." |
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