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| Marj |
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Marilyn, at least you're honest re: your bias. That's fair. And while I welcome edge I do think we have it. I just think it's a shame that someone, anyone, can be a mensch in life and use a forum to spew and rant.
Doug has been warned by Lorne, and has chosen to ignore him. He is also attacking Gary and Marc for no apparent reason. If this is something that comes from the old site, that's where it should remain.
Obviously he's drunk. In fact so much so, that to take him Behind the Curtain, would be an total waste of time and energy.
This is just a waste of bandwidth, and not something we want once we can be googled. End of story as far as I can see. |
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| Marj |
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:08 pm |
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Melody, what have we wrought? 
Yambu, Wade and Marc, the exchanges Mel and I were having last night were taken right from the movie Mean Girls. And Yambu, while Wade and Marc have always been, you're now offcially cute!
Do men like that? I do mean it as a term of endearment. To say nothing of being cool. |
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| Marj |
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:16 pm |
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Wade wrote:
Quote: Marj -- did you get my email? Wanna make sure I have the right address.
YES! Check your mailbox. And ... Thanks. |
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| doug heath |
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:37 pm |
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MARJ
No, not drunk at all, was a little during rave the other day but not my last posts. I mean every word i say... |
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| doug heath |
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:42 pm |
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| no more apologies or explanations anyhow...haven't talk to my friends about movies for a long time...Anyone wanna voice an opinion on 'AI' or where can i find that discussion, please? |
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| ehle64 |
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:45 pm |
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| Marj -- you're most welcome. |
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| yambu |
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:10 pm |
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..... And Yambu, while Wade and Marc have always been, you're now offcially cute!....
You're just now noticing?
.....Do men like that?....
You bet your boobs men like that.
....I do mean it as a term of endearment. To say nothing of being cool.....
I will have been married 35 years this Xmas Eve. Hell, that's long enough. I'm yours. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:22 pm |
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private joker and his dad Spence visited me today. Unlike his online persona, joker is one the sweetest guys I've met. He's soft spoken and even a little shy. Once again I've learned that you can't make well-informed judgements about people based on how they communicate in a chat room. joker is a lovely dude. And his dad is an old hipster like me.
Great father and son combo. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:34 pm |
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| I met joker years ago in NYC at a screening of his movie at the Anthology Film Archives. I wouldn't have exactly called him "soft-spoken," but I certainly agree with Marc that he is a very fine fellow. Since I'm inordinately fond of his online persona as well, I think sometimes judgments are sound--unless you dislike my online persona. (I am the nicest guy in the world, you see.) |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:45 pm |
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billy,
aggressive people often become soft-spoken around me. Its my primal manhood that intimidates them. |
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| Marj |
| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:17 am |
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You two. You both crack me up!
And Yambu, I'm so flattered but I am not a house wrecker or home cracker or whatever it is. Besides, I'd have to see your legs first. |
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| daffy |
| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:17 am |
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This is an excerpt from a very interesting article in last September’s Harper’s Magazine. The administration's actions in postwar Iraq are even stupider than they seemed before, which isn't easy. I hadn’t known any of this:
Baghdad Year Zero
Pillaging Iraq in pursuit of a neocon utopia
...Seeing the sign, I couldn’t help but think about something Senator John McCain had said back in October. Iraq, he said, is “a huge pot of honey that’s attracting a lot of flies.” The flies McCain was referring to were the Halliburtons and Bechtels, as well as the venture capitalists who flocked to Iraq in the path cleared by Bradley Fighting Vehicles and laser-guided bombs. The honey that drew them was not just no-bid contracts and Iraq’s famed oil wealth but the myriad investment opportunities offered by a country that had just been cracked wide open after decades of being sealed off, first by the nationalist economic policies of Saddam Hussein, then by asphyxiating United Nations sanctions.
…..I was also reminded of the most common explanation for what has gone wrong in Iraq, a complaint echoed by everyone from John Kerry to Pat Buchanan: Iraq is mired in blood and deprivation because George W. Bush didn’t have “a postwar plan.” The only problem with this theory is that it isn’t true. The Bush Administration did have a plan for what it would do after the war; put simply, it was to lay out as much honey as possible, then sit back and wait for the flies…… [emphasis added]
....The fact that the [neocons' predicted economic] boom never came and Iraq continues to tremble under explosions of a very different sort should never be blamed on the absence of a plan. Rather, the blame rests with the plan itself, and the extraordinarily violent ideology upon which it is based....
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....The great historical irony of the catastrophe unfolding in Iraq is that the shock-therapy reforms that were supposed to create an economic boom that would rebuild the country have instead fueled a resistance that ultimately made reconstruction impossible. Bremer’s reforms unleashed forces that the neocons neither predicted nor could hope to control, from armed insurrections inside factories to tens of thousands of unemployed young men arming themselves. These forces have transformed Year Zero in Iraq into the mirror opposite of what the neocons envisioned: not a corporate utopia but a ghoulish dystopia, where going to a simple business meeting can get you lynched, burned alive, or beheaded. These dangers are so great that in Iraq global capitalism has retreated, at least for now. For the neocons, this must be a shocking development: their ideological belief in greed turns out to be stronger than greed itself.
Iraq was to the neocons what Afghanistan was to the Taliban: the one place on Earth where they could force everyone to live by the most literal, unyielding interpretation of their sacred texts. One would think that the bloody results of this experiment would inspire a crisis of faith: in the country where they had absolute free reign, where there was no local government to blame, where economic reforms were introduced at their most shocking and most perfect, they created, instead of a model free market, a failed state no right-thinking investor would touch. And yet the Green Zone neocons and their masters in Washington are no more likely to reexamine their core beliefs than the Taliban mullahs were inclined to search their souls when their Islamic state slid into a debauched Hades of opium and sex slavery. When facts threaten true believers, they simply close their eyes and pray harder.
Which is precisely what Thomas Foley has been doing. The former head of “private sector development” has left Iraq, a country he had described as “the mother of all turnarounds,” and has accepted another turnaround job, as co-chair of George Bush’s reelection committee in Connecticut. On April 30 in Washington he addressed a crowd of entrepreneurs about business prospects in Baghdad. It was a tough day to be giving an upbeat speech: that morning the first photographs had appeared out of Abu Ghraib, including one of a hooded prisoner with electrical wires attached to his hands. This was another kind of shock therapy, far more literal than the one Foley had helped to administer, but not entirely unconnected. “Whatever you’re seeing, it’s not as bad as it appears,” Foley told the crowd. “You just need to accept that on faith.” “
http://www.harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html |
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| chillywilly |
| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:21 am |
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Ghulam wrote: The President's Yesman
Thanks for that article... I had a feeling the past would catch up with Gonzales. I have a feeling that his confirmation hearings will be quite the C-SPAN episodes.
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:58 am |
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| Thanks Chilly. That Yes Man article is an eye-opener. I read it three times today and was left aghast evry time. |
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| Mr. Brownstone |
| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:48 am |
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This is a post from Doug:
"EVERYONE (who gives a rat's arse one way or the other) my son rod didn't write any of my earlier invective (the canadian called it 'invictive'- but that's typical...) Aint takin no shit from no-body see...Call em the way i see em and if I think you're fulla shit I'll say so...Expect that treatment back at me - but if you try to gang up as you have on people in our NYT past, all bets are off. K? The fairly recent Australian film 'Crackerjack' is a waste of a ticket."
Get this asshole out of here now. Hasn't written a single solitary word of text that has a scintilla of value in here.
Practically every post he's offered since he sauntered in here has been a boorish and completely unprovoked declaration that he isn't going to take any shit from anyone.
He's worthless, and his presence here offends me more than any I've ever encountered in either the NYT forums or in our home here in Third Eye.
I don't care how he conducts himself in reality; in our comfy home he conducts himself like a self-glorified asshole. I move to make him gone.
Do I hear a second? |
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