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bartist
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:50 pm Reply with quote
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My main wish for that film was that it was much shorter, had an entirely different plot, script, and director, and that I would forget having lived in this universe where this version existed. Other than that, it was terrific.
I thought that SNY was a fascinating failure that, more than anything, needed a sympathetic director and editor to pare down the multiplicity of ideas into a manageable gulp. And reduce the number of scenes showing people closely examining their own poop to, at most, one.

I believe billy was a big fan of the movie being erased from all human consciousness and all prints burned with the ashes being so widely scattered that they could never, in the entirety of time, even by accident, reassemble[quote]

Heh. I almost didn't see the whiteout portion on this tablet screen.

Gromit, you almost make me want to watch it again, which is nearly unforgivable. This week, however, has amped up my pain threshold, so maybe...

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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:09 am Reply with quote
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SNY may be my least favorite film ever. It's certainly down there.

Meanwhile, I saw a not-so-hot 1989 comedy called The 'Burbs as part of a Tom Hanks retrospective at the Museum of Modern Art. Since I generally like Hanks in comedy and sorta dislike him in drama (including his two Oscarwinning roles), I was looking forward to this one, which I'd never seen. And since it co-stars one of my favorite living actors Bruce Dern, so much the better.

Well, it's not terrible. There are some very funny, very loony sequences in this story of a cul-de-sac whose inhabitants get obsessed with the idea that their new neighbors comprise a murderous cult. Joe Dante directs it like a live-action cartoon and Hanks and Dern play it that way, along with Rick Ducommun, Corey Feldman, and notably Henry Gibson. Hanks's wife is played with almost preternatural blandness by Carrie Fisher, who is much funnier as a human being and writer than she is as an actor.

The movie is uneven but intermittently watchable amid long dull stretches.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:03 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
SNY may be my least favorite film ever. It's certainly down there.

Meanwhile, I saw a not-so-hot 1989 comedy called The 'Burbs as part of a Tom Hanks retrospective at the Museum of Modern Art. Since I generally like Hanks in comedy and sorta dislike him in drama (including his two Oscarwinning roles), I was looking forward to this one, which I'd never seen. And since it co-stars one of my favorite living actors Bruce Dern, so much the better.

Well, it's not terrible. There are some very funny, very loony sequences in this story of a cul-de-sac whose inhabitants get obsessed with the idea that their new neighbors comprise a murderous cult. Joe Dante directs it like a live-action cartoon and Hanks and Dern play it that way, along with Rick Ducommun, Corey Feldman, and notably Henry Gibson. Hanks's wife is played with almost preternatural blandness by Carrie Fisher, who is much funnier as a human being and writer than she is as an actor.

The movie is uneven but intermittently watchable amid long dull stretches.
The new neighbors constitute a murderous cult. The murderous cult comprises the new neighbors.

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:10 am Reply with quote
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While you are correct, Whiskey, I have to come to Billy's defense--"comprise" is a perfectly proper word in that context.
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:46 am Reply with quote
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The New Zealand movie "Hunt for the Wilderpeople" is about a "bad kid", a 12 year old city boy, who is placed in one foster home after another, but keeps running away, getting into fights, inflicting property damage, until he is placed with a poor childless couple living in a setting of beautiful mountains, lush woods and picturesque rivers, where he just begins to feel accepted until tragedy strikes. The movie, which has been very sensitively directed, is full of humor and surprises. Gorgeous cinematography. Sam Neill, as the foster father, is almost unrecognizable. The film won eight international awards.

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billyweeds
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:00 am Reply with quote
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carrobin wrote:
While you are correct, Whiskey, I have to come to Billy's defense--"comprise" is a perfectly proper word in that context.


Thanks, Carol. "Comprise" is one of the most frequently misused words in the English language. But I was pretty sure I used it correctly.

The MOST misused word is "unique," which means "one of a kind" but is perpetually used instead of "unusual." Nothing can be "very unique" or "more unique." It's either unique or it's not.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:01 am Reply with quote
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Tangerines is actually an Estonian/Georgian co-production, filmed and set in Georgia, with a Georgian writer and director. The lead actor/character is Estonian and along with another Estonian neighbor gets caught in the crossfire of the 1992/93 war in Abkhazia. After a minor skirmish nearby, the old Estonian man winds up caring for an injured Chechen mercenary and a gravely wounded Georgian, who are enemies in the war. There are some dangers and tensions, and in the end they more or less learn to live together. The survivors at least. It's well done and fine, though fairly conventional.

Also, I can't help feeling that I've seen one or more films like this where a regular citizen ends up caring for soldiers on either side of a conflict. I even think one was Finnish -- closely related to Estonia.

I recall one film is older, b&w, maybe Polish. A Finnish soldier is chained to a large rock by WWII Germans and left wearing a German army greatcoat. I think a gun and some ammo are left a little out of his reach. The idea being that he will be shot by the approaching Russians who will think he's a German sniper, so he will be compelled to retrieve the weapon and shoot Russians until killed. But he manages to free the chain from the rock after a day and a half, and then gets taken care of by nearby peasants. I'm not sure if they also care for a German soldier. I think the Russian soldier is convinced that the Finn is really German and a deserter.

Anyone know what film that is?

Then there was a film from maybe 15 years ago I watched recently. I think from Finland, where the woman who cares for two soldiers doesn't speak the same language as either of them. They all speak different languages. I believe German, Russian and Finnish. And the woman chooses the young German over the middle aged Russian, further upping the tension. Or maybe this film had one soldier as a deserter. What I recall mostly was the farm that she lived on which had some interesting features and nice view.
Gadzooks, I watched that just a year and a half ago, but can't recall the name of that either. I think my dvd just had the title in Finnish. Hmm ...

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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:28 am Reply with quote
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Okay, the latter was a Russian film from 2002, called The Cuckoo:
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The Cuckoo (Russia, 2002).
In the waning days of WWII, a Russian and a Finnish soldier separately wind up at the farm of a Lapp woman, who is earthy and practical and damn glad to see a man. Her husband was drafted into the war 4 years prior, fate unknown. I liked the buildup, where both soldiers are prisoners but manage to escape in rather different but excruciating circumstances. One odd facet of the film is how the three central characters all speak different languages and don't understand each other*. So they are often at cross-purposes and working under misunderstandings, most seriously the Russian soldier believing the Finn is a German soldier. The rustic setting is rather beautiful and the farm's layout is rather ingenious -- there's a treehouse barn, a fish labyrinth/kraal. The film manages to combine drama, humor and romance quite well. I also liked the pace, as the film didn't rush anything, but also didn't drag.


Maybe I got confused and it's all one movie, not two.
In any case, Tangerines reminded me of the situation in The Cuckoo, caring for two soldiers who are enemies. Though I think the Finn is basically a neutral, though the Russian believes he's German.

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Hard to believe but I discovered a director I'd never heard of and I really like him. Noah Buschel. Watching The Missing Person with Michael Shannon now. Really liked Glass Chin with Corey Stoll. Can't seem to find Neal Cassidy anywhere

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With Arrival getting good buzz, I was wondering about Villeneuve's previous film:
Sicario a 2015 American crime-thriller drama film directed by Denis and starring Emily Blunt, Benicio del Toro, and Josh Brolin.

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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:17 am Reply with quote
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Villeneuve makes absorbing and powerful films - I liked Prisoners, Incendies, and Sicario. Sicario my favorite so far, a cartel thriller with understated but searing performances from Del Toro and Blunt, plus some truly amazing cinematography from the great Roger Deakins. Might be the mejor pellicula de narcos I've ever seen.
Cinematic tequila with a little worm of disillusionment at the bottom of the bottle. See it, if you haven't.






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Re-watched Nebraska.
Very good film.
The salty tough mother stood out this time.
I like how the road trip itself is pointless, but might allow the father and son to bond, and is intended to placate the sometimes addled old man. And then some minor complications determine that they stop in their old hometown, where we find a small town populated primarily by the elderly, and meet the pretty useless extended family. And things get mildly out of hand.

B&W was the right choice. I liked the big leaden sky. the minor characters mostly have these great weathered or aged faces. Reminds me that it's been a long time since I randomly drove around the US. There's humor and pathos mixed in well. Amusing and somewhat sad that they meet up with relatives they haven't seen in decades and wind up sitting around watching television together. The soundtrack is a bit aggressive but worked well.

I think my favorite line in the film is appropriately enough when the father learns that he actually hasn't won, and shuffles out the office door. The magazine lady asks, "What's wrong with him?"
The Son: "He just believes what people tell him."
Mag Lady: "Oh. That's sad."

And then the father is sitting in the car wearing his free hat, which says Prize Winner in large letters. Terrific casting and a simple family story well told.

Payne seems to be working on a film called Downsizing with Matt Damon and Kristen Wiig, slated for 2017. A social satire of a man who wants to be shrunken in a world where mini-people are possible. Not sure if it will involve a signature Payne road trip or not. But a foray into sci-fi. Reportedly this is a project Payne has had kicking around for a decade. And the $80 budget is quite large for him.


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gromit wrote:
Re-watched Nebraska.
Very good film......B&W was the right choice....
Yes. In my three years in Kansas, I loved clumping around a cornfield of an afternoon, sky gazing.

This film captured a lot of the display, but not quite all. The camera couldn't get the enormous size of those claw clouds interfacing with the horizon, nor their movement. But those shades of grey contrasts were terrific.
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Watched the BBC version of "Richard II" from 1978, with Derek Jacobi as Richard. The play does have some dramatic problems, since Richard is not only an arrogant twit, but he gives up immediately when he realizes how thoroughly Bolingbroke has outmaneuvered him and spends most of the rest of the play feeling eloquently sorry for himself. But it's got great scenes and speeches, such as John of Gaunt's extended hymn of praise for that demi-paradise England (now tawdry and corrupt), Richard's "For God's sake let us sit upon the ground and tell sad tales about the death of kings," the whole deposition scene, York's chastising of Richard when Richard confiscated Bolingbroke's inheritance (perhaps the stupidest act by any character in Shakespeare--the confiscation, that is, not the chastising--and it really happened) and one you never hear about, when Gaunt is advising his son Bolingbroke on how imagination can make exile bearable and Bolingbroke points out how futile such advice is:

Oh, who can hold a fire in his hand
By thinking on the frosty Caucasus?
Or cloy the hungry edge of appetite
By bare imagination of a feast?
Or wallow naked in December snow
By thinking on fantastic summer's heat?
Oh no, the apprehension of the good
Gives but the greater feeling to the worse;
Fell sorrow's tooth doth never rankle more
Than when it bites but lanceth not the sore.

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I think of the two historical tetralogies of Shakespeare, the only two plays you ever see on film are Richard III and Henry V, perhaps because you need less historical information, or because they're simply more dramatic. But I think Richard II is better that Richard III, or at least more eloquent, and I hope to see either half of Henry IV. Richard II has scenes involving Henry Percy and Hotspur conspiring with Bolingbroke and you can see why this alliance went sour so quickly after 1399.

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