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gromit
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:09 am Reply with quote
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That Nicholas Brothers dance routine is stunning.
I almost got winded just watching it.

Actually it's on Youtube and I've seen it alot.
Really tremendous.
Fred Astaire called it the best musical number ever filmed.
Here's a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orhf_Xv6HCA
This is a longer version with the prior dance number and then the start of the song, and the Nicholas Brothers don't appear until halfway through. Then they catch fire ....

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billyweeds
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:26 am Reply with quote
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The reason Lena Horne's movie career stalled is quite well documented and has been commented on extensively. It's because no one in power back then wanted to see a black woman in the lead in a mainstream movie. When Horne was all set to play the role of Julie in the 1950s Show Boat, the suits (Louis B. Mayer or whoever) stepped in and cast Ava Gardner instead. Gardner was acceptable (and Horne being her good friend was as diplomatic as possible about it) but Horne was perfect casting and would probably have been aces.
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marantzo
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:25 am Reply with quote
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I knew all about the Show Boat problem that wouldn't use Lena Horne. I loved Lena Horne but she'd never phoned me. Laughing I saw her show in New York and I was sitting above her and she would look at me often when she sang, but of course she really couldn't see what I looked like. Crying or Very sad

If I remember correctly, I didn't like Show Boat very much.

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Syd
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:26 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
The reason Lena Horne's movie career stalled is quite well documented and has been commented on extensively. It's because no one in power back then wanted to see a black woman in the lead in a mainstream movie. When Horne was all set to play the role of Julie in the 1950s Show Boat, the suits (Louis B. Mayer or whoever) stepped in and cast Ava Gardner instead. Gardner was acceptable (and Horne being her good friend was as diplomatic as possible about it) but Horne was perfect casting and would probably have been aces.


It looks like she tried to make the transition in 1943, and that her songs were often cut from mainstream films. It looks like she stopped making all-black films after Cabin in the Sky and Stormy Weather.

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yambu
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:32 pm Reply with quote
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The Man Who Wasn't There has Billy Bob Thornton as the second chair of a two-chair barber shop. White smock, white hair and cigarette smoke all give him a wraithlike appearance. His story is mostly about what happens to him, rather than the other way.

The black and white Coen production is gorgeous. McDormand is great as a femme fatale with no charm. And if you've ever heard of a tap dancing lawyer, the one here does everything but.

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knox
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:13 pm Reply with quote
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Syd wrote:
Stormy Weather, famous as a vehicle for Bill Robinson and Lena Horne, but to tell the truth, their love story seems somewhat slight. (Possibly because Robinson was forty years older than Horne.) However. the movie shines as a showcase of black talent of the forties, which includes Horne's "Stormy Weather," Robinson tap-dancing on the drums in "African Dance," the Nicholas Brothers in "Jumpin' Jive," and my personal favorite, Ada Brown and Fats Waller in "That Ain't Right," (followed by Waller singing and performing "Ain't Misbehavin'") Sadly, Waller died of pneumonia a few months after the film. It's also Bill Robinson's last film, and Horne's film career stalled for some reason after the film, though she did have relatively minor parts.


Yes. I like Waller's songs generally. He came from very hard times, IIRC he came from a family of 11 children where only 5 survived until adulthood. I play most of his stuff on my piano, though "Handful of Keys" is beyond me.

Yambu, are you only seeing this Coen flick for the first time? As a fan of their work, I'm sort of envious of anyone who gets to see one of their films as new.

Not a "Laura" fan, sorry to say. I thought both Webb and Price were overdone clichés of the upper class, and Tierney's acting was marginal. I don't think there was a gay subtext, just a "aristocrats suck" subtext. I also saw zero chemistry or sparks generated by Dana Andrews, wrt Laura.
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marantzo
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:42 pm Reply with quote
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I actually mentioned about seeing Laura when it was in a theatre many many years ago. I said I liked it but didn't love it. Actually I didn't really like it, I was bored!

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yambu
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:24 pm Reply with quote
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The Class ('07) is the true story of a French teacher and his class, Grades 7-9, in the rough low income area north of Paris. We get a rare look at how Muslim and non-Muslim kids must interact every day, umpired by teachers who could care less. It's not a rosy path, but in the environment, small victories look like big ones.

Many of the kids are for real.

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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:27 am Reply with quote
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Knox, if you are talking any of Waller's pieces that fall in the category of Harlem stride piano, I think that stuff is beyond all but the most dedicated "I put in my 10,000 hours" folks. Hitting a 10th, every other beat, with the left hand, at the tempo usually seen in stride, is hardcore. Didn't know that about his siblings. Hard times, indeed.

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yambu
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:52 pm Reply with quote
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bartist wrote:
Far be it from me to weigh in on forum etiquette, YAMBU, but I think Knox asked you a question. I hesitate even now to say anything, but I've been noticing a sort of, erm, nonresponse mode for several years and...well, it may not show a website in the best light as it tries to maintain vital signs or at least a detectable pulse. If I'm overstepping, sorry.
You're not overstepping. Knox's question was,
"Yambu, are you only seeing this Coen flick for the first time? As a fan of their work, I'm sort of envious of anyone who gets to see one of their films as new."
I would only say that I have seen The Man Who Wasn't There three or four times.

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gromit
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:24 pm Reply with quote
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I remember thinking The Man Who Wasn't There was a big nothingburger. Just kind of an empty exercise in neo-noir style. I had been looking forward to it, but felt rather disengaged when I saw it. It's been quite some time, so maybe I'll revisit it at some point.

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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:17 pm Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
I remember thinking The Man Who Wasn't There was a big nothingburger. Just kind of an empty exercise in neo-noir style. I had been looking forward to it, but felt rather disengaged when I saw it. It's been quite some time, so maybe I'll revisit it at some point.


Agree 100 percent. I am a huge fan of the Coen Brothers, but definitely not a fan of TMWWT.
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:30 pm Reply with quote
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For some reason, I liked it as their most surreal work. Like waking from a dream and you whimper, "wait, my house has another room?" And the cat is compressing your bladder. YMMV, for certain.

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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:26 pm Reply with quote
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I liked it also. I also liked it not coloured. I enjoyed it for the whole movie. The actors were all very good.

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