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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:58 pm |
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[posted over at Elba, but it seems applicable here...my comments were in response to some discussion of Al (yawn) Sharpton's usual and predictable shrill cries of racism from this year's Academy...
Quote: Last year, Chiwetel Ejiofor was nominated for Best Actor (12 Years a Slave). The year before, Denzel got a nom for "Flight." In 2006, Will Smith and Forrest Whittaker both got noms, and Whittaker won (Last King of Scotland). Really, aside from the Old White Guy's Club thing, it is helpful to study how the mathematics of probability and statistics works and see that African-Americans, as 12% of the population, are doing pretty well in the movies. I don't see how "Selma" is a snub - there have been other films that featured strong ensemble acting but didn't get specific nominations in the acting category. Just because you play MLK, doesn't mean you're a shoo-in for a nomination, especially if you're a newbie. I've observed that the Academy often seems to take its time with new actors on the scene (I'm sure there are exceptions....Ejiofor was fairly new to U.S. audiences), before making a Best Actor nomination. It's a conservative group and it's composed of human beings, so of course there is a bias towards those you are more familiar with. I would say it's not entirely unfair to consider the Oscars to be something of a popularity contest-slash-marketing device, more than a serious critical report on what is quality film. |
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:51 am |
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bartist wrote: [posted over at Elba, but it seems applicable here...my comments were in response to some discussion of Al (yawn) Sharpton's usual and predictable shrill cries of racism from this year's Academy...
Quote: Last year, Chiwetel Ejiofor was nominated for Best Actor (12 Years a Slave). The year before, Denzel got a nom for "Flight." In 2006, Will Smith and Forrest Whittaker both got noms, and Whittaker won (Last King of Scotland). Really, aside from the Old White Guy's Club thing, it is helpful to study how the mathematics of probability and statistics works and see that African-Americans, as 12% of the population, are doing pretty well in the movies. I don't see how "Selma" is a snub - there have been other films that featured strong ensemble acting but didn't get specific nominations in the acting category. Just because you play MLK, doesn't mean you're a shoo-in for a nomination, especially if you're a newbie. I've observed that the Academy often seems to take its time with new actors on the scene (I'm sure there are exceptions....Ejiofor was fairly new to U.S. audiences), before making a Best Actor nomination. It's a conservative group and it's composed of human beings, so of course there is a bias towards those you are more familiar with. I would say it's not entirely unfair to consider the Oscars to be something of a popularity contest-slash-marketing device, more than a serious critical report on what is quality film.
Your comments seem reasonable unless one has actually seen Selma, which is so much better than 12 Years a Slave (or, for that matter, than most other films of recent years) that, yes, not nominating it for Actor, Director, and arguably Supporting Actor and Actress, does qualify as a snub. It's just jaw-dropping, and at the very least extraordinarily lame. The Academy seems to be lumping 12 Years and Selma together as "movies about black people," which does look--sorry, bart, although I agree that Sharpton can be shrill--racist.
That David Oyelowo and Ava DuVernay were not nominated as Actor and Director is more than a snub, it's an artistic disgrace. Bradley Cooper??? Morten Tyldum (Headhunters notwithstanding)????
"Just because you play MLK, doesn't mean you're a shoo-in for a nomination, especially if you're a newbie." I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and suspect you haven't seen the film. Oyelowo does more than "play MLK." The performance is transformative and a work of utter genius, more worthy than Ejiofor's, Washington's, and Smith's put together. (Whitaker is another story--a great performance, and yet not as great as Oyelowo's.) |
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:08 am |
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Am seeing Selma on Monday or early next week and will get back to you.
Really, don't know all the forces driving the neglect or snub or whatever it is, but I have even wondered if the Academy tries to push back against the possibility that they might be favoring "black movies" too much....as if the Academy has some art critic credentials that might be compromised (lol). Like, someone thinks 12YaS got too much laud so they have to compensate - yeah, that would be pretty racist BYNK. |
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:49 pm |
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Ya got me again with BYNK. Googled it and the description makes no sense. Please, once more, enlighten me. |
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:40 pm |
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...but you never know?
It is weird that Bradley the sniper gets noted, but not Oyelowo.
I also had doubts about the Hawking movie, due to my sense that all Hawking needs to inspire people is to BE Hawking....film not necessary.
I'm over the Oscars. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:44 pm |
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knox wrote: ...but you never know?
It is weird that Bradley the sniper gets noted, but not Oyelowo.
I also had doubts about the Hawking movie, due to my sense that all Hawking needs to inspire people is to BE Hawking....film not necessary.
I'm over the Oscars.
Eddie Redmayne is amazing too, but strangely enough his brilliant recreation of Hawking's physical disability is a little less impressive to me than Oyelowo's more internal and subtle reinvention of a well-known public personage. |
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Birdman is not exactly what I expected, but I enjoyed it immensely, and, although I'm not quite as enthusiastic about Keaton's career as Billy, I'm definitely in agreement with him this time. It's the best performance I've ever seem by Keaton and the performance of the year. I also like the supporting performances by Edward Norton and Emma Stone (both nominated as well), but it's really a solid cast and a mostly solid film. Hell, even Zach Galifianakis is bearable (actually more than bearable). |
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:11 pm |
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Norton really extended himself in "Birdman."
"Selma" is superb. I'm now inclined to wonder if all the Academy voters actually saw it. And i don't think LBJ was mistreated here....the man was a political animal and i think Wilkinson captured it. If you want to see what courage and commitment look like, there will be no film that shows you better than Selma.
This was a good day to see it, but sadly I note that the huge line at the multiplex here was for Am. Sniper - we are 12 miles from one of the nation's largest AFB, so I guess that was to be expected. |
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The labyrinthine story of "Inherent Vice" requires close attention but is absorbing and rewarding. The movie seems to be a stoner version of "L.A.Confidential". Superb performance from Joaquin Phoenix.
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billyweeds |
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:26 pm |
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bartist--So glad you agree with me. The only reason I'm ranking Selma second best of 2014 is because I am so uniquely attached to Boyhood. In almost any other film year Selma would be #1.
Of course, one critic called my starring vehicle The Lives of Hamilton Fish the best of the year, so who am I to disagree? Sweet dreams are made of this. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:45 pm |
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Traveled the world and the 7 seas, everybody's looking for Boyhood streaming - but it's not streaming yet on Netflix. It's in a nearby Redbox, though, so we plan to see soon. Of course, I want to see H. Fish too, but may be waiting on the viscous flow of the distribution pipeline from NYC to Rapid City. Have you really played 4 child molesters, btw, or was that just humorous resume padding? |
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:49 pm |
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bartist wrote: Have you really played 4 child molesters, btw, or was that just humorous resume padding?
Nope. Absolutely true. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:05 pm |
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bartist wrote: ....sadly I note that the huge line at the multiplex here was for Am. Sniper - we are 12 miles from one of the nation's largest AFB, so I guess that was to be expected. Why sadly? Were you sad when Flags of Our Fathers did so well?
Sniper has gotten some terrific revues: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/12/22/living-history |
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:53 pm |
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YAMBU: Sorry, if i didn't clarify, we saw "Selma" on MLK Day and I was simply saying there was a crowd that, well, I thought would have benefited from a viewing of "Selma" on MLK Day.
The comment was not some partisan snipe or anything like that. The Air Force, based on the time I've spent here in Rapid City (and years ago, in a nearby town, and on a ranch just south of Ellsworth AFB), seems to be a branch of service that attracts some really bright and interesting people. Though I have no desire to be a warrior meself, if I had to choose, it would definitely be the Air Force for me.
That said, there seems to be a mindset here that is very prevalent, which includes a lot of bigoted attitudes. In Rapid City, these are mainly directed at Lakotas, who are the principal ethnic minority in the western half of the state. While "Selma" was about a different time and place, I thought it had some insights into race relations that locals should be reminded about....and maybe step outside their comfort level a bit. JMO |
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I saw "Selma" on Sunday to avoid the crowd.
I like the movie, but Wilkinson was miscast as LBJ, and the FBI tickertape was an awkward substitute for captions.
I've seen five of the best picture nominees. I like Boyhood the best, with Birdman and The Imitation Game fighting it out for second, followed by Selma and American Sniper. The last is a good movie, with some of the most intense scenes of the year. Cooper's good, but Chris Kyle doesn't have the depth of Birdman or Turing. Some of the action scenes remind me of videogames, but others, wow. |
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