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| yambu |
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spoiler response to Befade and Lunchbox:
[color]"Sometimes the wrong train leads you to the right station."
When they finally decide to meet, he backs out. Then and later, he knows that overcoming her bad marriage, her raising a young child, and his old age would be too much for a future together.
I got confused about their rail journeys. It seems they were passing each other. He took a look at his retirement town and went back to work. She pursued the meeting but, of course, she would be disappointed.
I think their extraordinary friendship was to equip him for dealing with retirement or no, now that he could see people more for what they are; and her for caring for herself and her child.[color=white] |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:37 pm |
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Maybe someone who knows classical music better than I can answer a question for me. In Possessed, Schumann's Carnaval, Opus 9 is used at least twice in the film and is essentially "their song." Both times I heard it it seemed to have echoes of a familiar jazz standard. I'm terrible at recalling one song while another is playing, but I think the echoes I was hearing were of We'll Meet Again.
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Do these two pieces have any connection, overlap, relationship? |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:09 pm |
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Finally caight up woth the Whedon version of Much Ado. Nice effort. Was reminded how essential it is to have appealing actors as Benedict and Beatrice, not jist becaise they are the money roles, but because their romance distracts from the fact that Claudio is one of the most repulsive romantic heroes in literatire and the Prince scarcely better.
Anyway, Denisof and Acker gave good performamces. Not say Emma Thompson good (if such a thing is possible without actually being Emma Thompson. Oh, Emma, Emma, Emma!) But maybe Branagh good, and without the oh so romantic.slo mo rips from a 1980s Massngill commercial. Fillion made a decent Dogberry, though I admit a fondness for Mochael Keaton shared by few. Kranz and Morgese were rather anonymois in thankless roles. Kranz never made me give a damn about Claudio but I think that may be beyond the capabilities of most - perhaps all - actors. Enjoyable, the cast did a noce job with verse speak. Translated well enough to modern dress.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:11 pm |
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Gromit, I had heard Carnaval Opus 9 a few times but it was like 50 or more years ago that I listened to it. I checked out a site that had it and I listened to it (I actually bounce ahead, [it's a half hour piece]). Here is the site,
https://archive.org/details/SchumannCarnavalOpus9
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:16 pm |
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| Whiskey, I'm pretty well in sync with your review of Much Ado... I'm a big Michael Keaton fan also. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:39 pm |
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Finally caight up woth the Whedon version of Much Ado. Nice effort. Was reminded how essential it is to have appealing actors as Benedict and Beatrice, not jist becaise they are the money roles, but because their romance distracts from the fact that Claudio is one of the most repulsive romantic heroes in literatire and the Prince scarcely better.
Anyway, Denisof and Acker gave good performamces. Not say Emma Thompson good (if such a thing is possible without actually being Emma Thompson. Oh, Emma, Emma, Emma!) But maybe Branagh good, and without the oh so romantic.slo mo rips from a 1980s Massngill commercial. Fillion made a decent Dogberry, though I admit a fondness for Mochael Keaton shared by few. Kranz and Morgese were rather anonymois in thankless roles. Kranz never made me give a damn about Claudio but I think that may be beyond the capabilities of most - perhaps all - actors. Enjoyable, the cast did a noce job with verse speak. Translated well enough to modern dress.
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:56 pm |
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whiskeypriest wrote: I admit a fondness for Michael Keaton shared by few.
Whoa there, hoss! Where do you get that your Keaton fandom is "shared by few"? He happens to be one of my all-time favorite movie stars, and I know many people who agree. Keaton may be a cult figure, but it's a pretty large cult.
1988 was, to be fair, his peak year, with the incredbly contrasting but equally great performances in Beetlejuice and Clean and Sober. But he's coming back in Birdman. Wait for it. |
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| yambu |
| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:01 pm |
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whiskeypriest wrote: Finally caight up woth the Whedon version of Much Ado. Nice effort. Was reminded how essential it is to have appealing actors as Benedict and Beatrice, not jist becaise they are the money roles, but because their romance distracts from the fact that Claudio is one of the most repulsive romantic heroes in literatire and the Prince scarcely better.
Anyway, Denisof and Acker gave good performamces. Not say Emma Thompson good (if such a thing is possible without actually being Emma Thompson. Oh, Emma, Emma, Emma!) But maybe Branagh good, and without the oh so romantic.slo mo rips from a 1980s Massngill commercial. Fillion made a decent Dogberry, though I admit a fondness for Mochael Keaton shared by few. Kranz and Morgese were rather anonymois in thankless roles. Kranz never made me give a damn about Claudio but I think that may be beyond the capabilities of most - perhaps all - actors. Enjoyable, the cast did a noce job with verse speak. Translated well enough to modern dress.
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"Sigh No More, Ladies" appears in the Whedon version as a short, jazzy instrumental. In the Branagh film it is sung three times and stitches together the action with some verse from the play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boNnrv0CGzU |
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| carrobin |
| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:34 pm |
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| i liked the Branagh/Thompson/Keaton "Much Ado," and loved the Whedon version. Of course my favorite is still the stage version with Alan Bates and Felicity Kendal, which I saw four times in three days on a rush trip to London. (During the Saturday matinee, Don John had a coughing fit he couldn't control, and his minions kept his lines going among them--the perils of being an actor!) Of course Claudio is a creep--I thoroughly agreed with Beatrice. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:15 pm |
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I've seen Much Ado more times than I can remember, many more times than any other Shakespeare play. (And I've been in it twice.) I thought the Whedon version was one of the weakest I've seen. I loved the Branagh version except for Denzel. But neither film rivals the magic of the play on stage.
Best of them all was the astounding John Gielgud-Margaret Leighton version, but Katharine Hepburn's Beatrice, in which she appeared to be channeling Lucy Ricardo, was right up there. Seen it and seen it and would love to see it again. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:18 pm |
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billyweeds wrote: whiskeypriest wrote: I admit a fondness for Michael Keaton shared by few.
Whoa there, hoss! Where do you get that your Keaton fandom is "shared by few"? He happens to be one of my all-time favorite movie stars, and I know many people who agree. Keaton may be a cult figure, but it's a pretty large cult.
1988 was, to be fair, his peak year, with the incredbly contrasting but equally great performances in Beetlejuice and Clean and Sober. But he's coming back in Birdman. Wait for it.
Cannot wait.for.Birdman. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:23 pm |
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| I thik I prefer the Thomson/ Branagh version was.well. Love the sunniness. Too much expressng nner longing by playing on a.swing.set. I thought Denzell.was just OK. But Keanu Reeves.was at his.flat affect worst. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:03 pm |
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A couple of million years ago, there was a sort of film fest here on 3rd Eye, involving science fiction. I purchased several and watched at the time.
The other night I remembered one in particular, 12 Monkeys....Bruce Willis, a very young Brad Pitt...
We loved it all over again.  |
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| carrobin |
| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:29 pm |
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I just read in today's paper that the SyFy network is working on a new adventure series based on "12 Monkeys," but no date was mentioned--just "upcoming."
I like Michael Keaton too--loved him in "Beetlejuice," and was impressed by his totally opposite grim performance as the head of the CIA in a miniseries a few years back. I'd like to see that again. I think it was just called "The Company," but I should check IMDb.
I also like Emma Thompson quite a lot. In fact, I have kind of girl crush on her. She's the main reason I don't like Branagh anymore--though I wouldn't mind seeing "Dead Again" again. |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:53 pm |
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