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Joe Vitus
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:09 pm Reply with quote
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There used to be this show on Sunday nights when I was a kid--late 70's/early 80's--that covered the silent years of Hollywood, and featured this movie (not a show that re-ran silents, but talked about the history). I think it was on PBS? Anyone know what I'm talking about? Wish I could remember the name of it.

Hope you can get someone to record it for you, Caro. Being a person without television, I never invested in a TiVo. Smile

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carrobin
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:17 pm Reply with quote
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I've been tempted to get Tivo, but feel I'm too tied up with TV as it is. My friend keeps making disks of movies for me, and they're piling up like the books I want to read. He just sent me the whole first season of "Broadchurch," which I want to sit down and watch throughout, but haven't had time. If only I could read and watch TV at the same time....
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:23 pm Reply with quote
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TiVo is now called DVR, and it will change your life, for better or worse.

Checking out Giant, which is a huge and flavorless piece of cheese. The Big Country, which ripped it off two years later, is about a thousand times better.
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:58 pm Reply with quote
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I'd like to ask TCM why they put most of their classic silent films on in the middle of the night. I just saw a promo for "The Crowd" that looked very appealing, but then it gave the time--2 a.m. Tuesday. It's hard enough to stay awake for a movie with dialogue, much less one that requires keeping one's eyes on the screen constantly. (I fell asleep after the first ten minutes of "Orphans of the Storm" last week, dammit.)

I do love TCM on Saturday mornings, though, when they usually have B flicks from the 30s, 40s, and 50s. This morning there was a Nick Carter movie with Walter Pidgeon as Carter and Donald Meek as his comic-relief sidekick. George Sanders and his brother both played The Falcon in one of those series, and Sanders also was The Saint. Perfect Saturday morning entertainment, though Margaret Rutherford as Miss Marple can't be beat. (Unfortunately there are only four of those.)


Yep. I look forward to TCM on Saturday mornings. Watched all those that you mentioned. I love those movies.

Yes Billy, Giant is not a good movie and it's way too long. And The Big Country is way better.
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Tristram Shandy: A Cock and Bull Story: as one of the multitudes who enjoyed and didn't finish the novel Tristram Shandy (I got the point halfway through), I have to say this is about the most faithful adaptation you could hope for, and yes, I'm totally serious about that. It's totally faithful to the plot of Tristram Shandy and opens it up very effectively.* Fine performances by Steve Coogan, Rob Brydon, Naomie Harris, Kelly MacDonald, Shirley Henderson and whoever played the costumer.

*Yes, I'm totally aware Tristram Shandy doesn't have a plot at all.

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It's a favourite of mine. Try The Trip also directed by directed by Michael Winterbottom and featuring Steve Coogan and, Rob Brydon

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Watched Kind Hearts and Coronets from beginning to end for the first time in ages. It's a great film, about as dark as black comedy ever gets yet never off-putting. Most people know it's the movie that singlehandedly made Alec Guinness a superstar. What's surprising is how subtle Guinness's acting is. It's the kind of performance that would probably pass almost unnoticed in today's slambang world. How it ever made him a star is hard to fathom from the perspective of 2013. But I don't waste time questioning it. Guinness is a great actor whose talents were appreciated, as strange as that may seem.

Add the inimitable sexiness of Joan Greenwood and a devilish performance by Dennis Price in the leading role and the film is...fantastic.
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Syd
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jeremy wrote:
It's a favourite of mine. Try The Trip also directed by directed by Michael Winterbottom and featuring Steve Coogan and, Rob Brydon
I've seen it. It's a tv series distilled into a movie that probably worked better as a movie. A Cock and Bull Story is better. The parts that actually come from Tristram Shandy are a lot of fun, especially with Coogan in his multiple roles.

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Joe Vitus
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billyweeds wrote:
Watched Kind Hearts and Coronets from beginning to end for the first time in ages. It's a great film, about as dark as black comedy ever gets yet never off-putting. Most people know it's the movie that singlehandedly made Alec Guinness a superstar. What's surprising is how subtle Guinness's acting is. It's the kind of performance that would probably pass almost unnoticed in today's slambang world. How it ever made him a star is hard to fathom from the perspective of 2013. But I don't waste time questioning it. Guinness is a great actor whose talents were appreciated, as strange as that may seem.

Add the inimitable sexiness of Joan Greenwood and a devilish performance by Dennis Price in the leading role and the film is...fantastic.


I just don't get how you can sit thought the "Twelve Little Niggers" speech in the prison at the end. That single scene makes it impossible for me to ever watch the movie again.

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I get through it the same way I get through Huck Finn.

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Yes. Context.


CHAC one of my favorites.


Saw "360" and can say that while it's the most structurally interesting film of the last couple years (follows a chain of interconnected lives around the globe), it's oddly superficial, as if a stogie-chomping producer cried, "I want Babel Meets Love, Actually." I was fascinated, but somehow wound up never getting to know anybody except maybe Anthony Hopkins's's's character who is allowed a monologue at a support group meeting and generally manages to do more with less.

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bartist wrote:
Yes. Context.


CHAC one of my favorites.


Saw "360" and can say that while it's the most structurally interesting film of the last couple years (follows a chain of interconnected lives around the globe), it's oddly superficial, as if a stogie-chomping producer cried, "I want Babel Meets Love, Actually." I was fascinated, but somehow wound up never getting to know anybody except maybe Anthony Hopkins's's's character who is allowed a monologue at a support group meeting and generally manages to do more with less.
C?Caring Hearts and Coronets, perhaps?

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Joe Vitus
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:18 pm Reply with quote
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whiskeypriest wrote:
I get through it the same way I get through Huck Finn.


Either you don't mean that or I believe you haven't thought through the implications of what you're saying. In the first place, the time period of Huck Finn was such that "nigger" was the word any person in the south would have used. But the time of Kind Hearts, it most certainly was not the accepted word in Great Britain or anywhere else. It was already a very controversial term, perhaps used frequently in "private" i.e. personal conversation, but not used in "public" i.e. movies, magazines, newspapers.

In the second place, there's a distinct difference between the words Mark Twain puts in the mouth of his character/narrator vs. the language Twain uses himself in other works (or even the preface to this one) in describing African Americans.

The use of "nigger" in Kind Hearts, on the other hand, isn't there to make a point about the people saying it. Nor is there any awareness that something shocking is being said. It's just prejudice so blind, it does not even recognize itself as such.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:50 pm Reply with quote
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Joe Vitus wrote:
whiskeypriest wrote:
I get through it the same way I get through Huck Finn.


Either you don't mean that or I believe you haven't thought through the implications of what you're saying. In the first place, the time period of Huck Finn was such that "nigger" was the word any person in the south would have used. But the time of Kind Hearts, it most certainly was not the accepted word in Great Britain or anywhere else. It was already a very controversial term, perhaps used frequently in "private" i.e. personal conversation, but not used in "public" i.e. movies, magazines, newspapers.

In the second place, there's a distinct difference between the words Mark Twain puts in the mouth of his character/narrator vs. the language Twain uses himself in other works (or even the preface to this one) in describing African Americans.

The use of "nigger" in Kind Hearts, on the other hand, isn't there to make a point about the people saying it. Nor is there any awareness that something shocking is being said. It's just prejudice so blind, it does not even recognize itself as such.
Except I did not say the usages were the same, and you are wrong about the use of the term in England. That is how the nursery rhyme we know of as Ten Little Indians went in England at the time the movie was made, It was the original English title of an Agatha Christie novel we know of as And Then There Were None, published less than ten years earlier.

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But wait - wasn't it Eeny Meeny Minnie Moe, and not Ten Little Pick Your Ethnic Insult? Been years since I saw KHAC. Either way, the unfortunate word would have been in the English version of the rhyme at the time.

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