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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:00 am Reply with quote
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knox--Totally agree with you. There is something too "movie cultist" about the whole endeavor. Hawks (who could be an amazing director) had a weird combination of macho and cutesy that emerged in such diverse projects as The Big Sleep, Hatari!, and Man's Favorite Sport?

But Bringing Up Baby, His Girl Friday, and Gentlemen Prefer Blondes go a long way the other way.
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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:11 am Reply with quote
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knox wrote:
The Big Sleep is a mess because Chandler cobbled it together from four short stories he had previously written for the pulps. (Killer in the Rain, and The Curtain were the two main sources. They had no common characters, but both had a powerful father who is distressed by his wild daughter. He also took small bits of two other stories, The Finger Man and Mandarin's Jade.) This meant loose ends, like who killed the chauffeur. Anyway, it's my least favorite Chandler movie, or book, and my sympathies to anyone seeing the film for the first time. There's something just....unreal about the whole thing.


I don't love The Big Sleep or Chandler in general (I like parts of his work, I'm just not intense about it), but the book The Big Sleep is in no way a mess. The pieces fit together beautifully, wherever they originated from. And Chandler would never be the master of a well-mechanized plot. He wasn't interested in that. He was interested in character and mood.

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Syd
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I reached the poignant reunion of Guy and Genevieve at the end of "The Umbrellas of Cherbourg" and all I could think: is why is Genevieve driving her daughter around in the middle of a snowstorm with the windows open?

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Syd
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:50 pm Reply with quote
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Very pretty cast, including the men. I didn't think singing all the dialogue worked all that well, but the main theme is very nice. Although this is the film that made Catherine Deneuve famous as 16-year old Genevieve, I really liked Anne Vernon as her mother, Ellen Farner as Madeleine, and Marc Michel as Roland Cassard, Guy's rival. Nino Castelnuovo as Guy varies, but I really liked his scenes toward the end. The original print was lovingly restored by Agnes Varda after Jacques Demy's death, and is vibrant. I couldn't escape the feeling that the look of the film upstaged the actors, and that a lot of this dialogue shouldn't be sung.

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Joe Vitus
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:55 am Reply with quote
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Agree about the pretty cast. But no one can sing, the music is as monotonous as a metronome and the story is uninteresting.

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billyweeds
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:44 am Reply with quote
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Joe Vitus wrote:
Agree about the pretty cast. But no one can sing, the music is as monotonous as a metronome and the story is uninteresting.


The music may be--okay, is--monotonous, but the score has yielded two standards, "I Will Wait for You" and "Watch What Happens."
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Joe Vitus
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:04 pm Reply with quote
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True that. My taste does not always coincide with popular opinion. lol

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knox
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:13 pm Reply with quote
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I don't love The Big Sleep or Chandler in general (I like parts of his work, I'm just not intense about it), but the book The Big Sleep is in no way a mess. The pieces fit together beautifully, wherever they originated from. And Chandler would never be the master of a well-mechanized plot. He wasn't interested in that. He was interested in character and mood.



Good point regarding Chandler and crafted plots. And when I say "mess," I mean "I had trouble following it." If you saw pieces fitting together beautifully, then it worked for you.

It's possible that The Big Lebowski does, in places, send up TBS. In fact, that seems like a good double feature.
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Syd
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:58 pm Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
Joe Vitus wrote:
Agree about the pretty cast. But no one can sing, the music is as monotonous as a metronome and the story is uninteresting.


The music may be--okay, is--monotonous, but the score has yielded two standards, "I Will Wait for You" and "Watch What Happens."


I assume the first is the theme that keeps getting repeated through the movie, which I rather liked, but outside of that, well, I'm surprised to hear there were two songs in the movie, because I thought Demy and Legrand had made a musical without any songs.

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Is/Are "The Young Girls of Rochefort" worth checking out?

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Ghulam
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:22 pm Reply with quote
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The Australian movie "Last Ride" is a rough and uneven story of a 10 year old boy's ride across the scenic Australian outback with a violent father who is running from the law. Somewhat predictable. Good performances.

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daffy
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:16 pm Reply with quote
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I just watched Shakespeare In Love for the first time since it came out.

Now I remember why I loved it so. It's simply amazing.

I often hear people complain because Saving Private Ryan lost to SIL at the Oscars. Horse shit!! I've grown to love SPR (including the oft-scorned bookends) even more over the years than I did at the time I saw it, but it just can't hold a candle to the perfection of Shakespeare In Love. SPR, as terrific and moving as it is (and I do love it), has major faults. SIL has none. The shooting, the casting, the writing, the acting, the feel, the music, the style.... It all meshes. Simply superb.

Everything else is personal taste.

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marantzo
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:47 pm Reply with quote
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Saving Private Ryan has many flaws. The ending itself almost, or does kill the movie. Spielberg is a talented movie maker, but he's no Billy Wilder, and has a habit of injecting stupid schmaltz in his last scenes.
Joe Vitus
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:28 pm Reply with quote
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Syd wrote:
billyweeds wrote:
Joe Vitus wrote:
Agree about the pretty cast. But no one can sing, the music is as monotonous as a metronome and the story is uninteresting.


The music may be--okay, is--monotonous, but the score has yielded two standards, "I Will Wait for You" and "Watch What Happens."


I assume the first is the theme that keeps getting repeated through the movie, which I rather liked, but outside of that, well, I'm surprised to hear there were two songs in the movie, because I thought Demy and Legrand had made a musical without any songs.


This.

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Joe Vitus
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:30 pm Reply with quote
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knox wrote:
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I don't love The Big Sleep or Chandler in general (I like parts of his work, I'm just not intense about it), but the book The Big Sleep is in no way a mess. The pieces fit together beautifully, wherever they originated from. And Chandler would never be the master of a well-mechanized plot. He wasn't interested in that. He was interested in character and mood.



Good point regarding Chandler and crafted plots. And when I say "mess," I mean "I had trouble following it." If you saw pieces fitting together beautifully, then it worked for you.

It's possible that The Big Lebowski does, in places, send up TBS. In fact, that seems like a good double feature.


I think I may be "lucky" if that's the word. I can never figure out the labyrinthine plots to any mystery, so if Chandler is worse at this, it's over my head. Smile

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