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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:10 am |
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billyweeds wrote: Joe Vitus wrote:
Don't care for Sietz.
It's Seitz. But what in the world do you have against him? I'm really interested. IMO he's one of the only really intelligent critics alive and probably the only one I usually agree with.
Nothing against him. I used to read Salon regularly, and I have zero memory of any review he ever wrote. I guess he never impressed me. |
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yambu |
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:30 pm |
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billyweeds wrote: Marc wrote: We're reviewing more reviews than film in CURRENT FILM.
I prefer the Branagh/Thompson version, but this Joss Whedon b&w movie is offhand and charming although a little slapdash for my taste. I liked most of the performances, but Alexis Denisof as Benedick did next to nothing for me, which severely damaged my liking for the film since so much depends on this character. Denisof's readings often missed the mark IMO, but Amy Acker was fine as Beatrice, and I really liked Nathan Fillion's Dogberry (though not as much as Michael Keaton's in the Branagh version) and Reed Diamond's Don Pedro (more than Denzel Washington's in the you know what). Movie was more than okay but not all that. Denisof should be glad he wasn't opposite Emma Thompson. She would have eaten him alive.
Amy Acker was feminine, but tough when she needed to be. I could understand her every word.
I love the ditty sung at the beginning, middle and end of the Branagh film:
"Sigh no more, ladies, sigh no more
Men were deceivers ever......"
One small silly thing - six or so yuppy types show up for a tasteful wine party, telling everyone they are just back from some war. That's one line they could have cut. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:10 pm |
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yambu--I liked the song too. Written by Shakespeare, of course. (Not the melody, which was good, but the words.) |
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bartist |
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:42 pm |
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The Lone Ranger is a wondrous pastiche of Western film, lore, tall tales, and cornpone - great fun and you must see it in a theater if you want to be gobsmacked and horned-toad-spat into cinema nirvana. There is a delicious running joke in which all the geography and history is tossed into a blender and then explodes into a crazy quilt of all things unsacred. My god what a fun movie. I tend to think of Johnny Depp as an actor whose range, to borrow from Dorothy Parker, "runs the gamut of human emotion from A to B," but he is perfect as this anti-Tonto, with utter mastery of the reaction shot. If you aren't laughing and hooting and clutching your armrests with vertigo, you ain't got a pulse, hombre. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:00 pm |
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Now I'm actually getting excited about seeing this movie I had zero interest in. If bartist, Marc, and Matt Zoller Seitz all agree, there must be something there. |
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Marc |
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:41 am |
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THE LONE RANGER is a victim of some kind of weird industry hysteria in which critics and the Hollywood press seem to get their rocks off targeting a film and doing their best to destroy it. THE LONE RANGER has been unfairly maligned by a bunch of myopic turdballs who just don't seem to "get it." Yes, the film is overlong but within it is five times more entertainment than the SUPERMAN reboot and WORLD WAR Z combined. Time will be on THE LONE RANGER's side. In a few years people will be calling it a misunderstood classic. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:08 am |
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This is Metacritic's summary of Matt Zoller Seitz's review of The Lone Ranger, which I am quoting because it's so similar to what Marc just posted.
"For all its miscalculations, this is a personal picture, violent and sweet, clever and goofy. It's as obsessive and overbearing as Steven Spielberg's '1941' — and, I'll bet, as likely to be re-evaluated twenty years from now, and described as 'misunderstood.'"
Did not know that 1941 had been re-evaluated. |
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bartist |
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:34 am |
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I am mystified by the "myopic turdballs" - don't they like MOVIES?? This is the sort of movie where you are having so much fun you wish there were MORE and perhaps sit through the end crawl hoping for an amusing stinger. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:36 am |
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I will see it. The comments on here about it remind me of when Mars Attacks was panned by just about every critic. I went to see it anyway and it was hilariously good. What a bunch of stupid critics. Of course MA became a wild comic classic. |
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knox |
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:54 am |
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The Lone Ranger is wonderful. What the above chaps said. My jaw dropped when I saw, for example, Kenneth Turan's clueless and stupid review....here's a sample that I submit as Exhibit A for the man's incipient Alzheimer's:
Quote: Six-foot-five Armie Hammer certainly looks heroic, but to make room for Tonto's exploits, his Lone Ranger character (civilian name John Reid) has been made into an incompetent tenderfoot. He's a handsome fool who returns to his home in Colby, Texas, much like Jimmy Stewart's character in John Ford's classic "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance," with a belief in the power of the law over violence that is dangerously naive.
This might be fine if Johnny Depp's Tonto were interested in being anything close to conventionally valiant, but anyone who's followed this one-of-a-kind actor's career knows this is invariably the furthest thing from his mind. And unlike his wonderfully insouciant Capt. Jack Sparrow in the "Pirates" franchise, Depp plays Tonto in a deadpan Buster Keaton style that is not well-suited to the demands of action and adventure.
(boldface mine) Seriously?? A Buster Keaton style is not well-suited to a comic actioner? REALLY? AYFKM???? Some of the best action scenes on the trains are direct lifts from "The General" for fuck's sake. And the mismatch between Armie Hammer's TLR and Depp's Tonto is precisely what helps the film to be so subversively (gad, now I'm using that term!) and unsentimentally funny. TLR and Tonto aren't supposed to work well together, that's the fucking point, Kenneth. What's your frequency, Kenneth?
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Marc |
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:19 pm |
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Billy
Matthew Zoller Seitz is an avid reader of Dangerous Minds and has come to my rescue on several occasions when my ideas and opinions have been attacked in the comment section of the site. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:02 pm |
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Marc wrote: Billy
Matthew Zoller Seitz is an avid reader of Dangerous Minds and has come to my rescue on several occasions when my ideas and opinions have been attacked in the comment section of the site.
Good for Seitz. And knowing your own good taste and his, I'm not totally surprised. But unless you know something more than I do, don't call him "Matthew." I've never seen him call himself anything but "Matt." |
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bartist |
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:24 am |
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Knox - thanks, Turan's "not well-suited" remark about Depp going for a Buster Keaton style made me LOL. |
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Marc |
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:59 am |
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Billy,
you're right, it is Matt. |
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knox |
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:10 am |
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