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Syd
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:41 pm Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
marantzo wrote:
Saw The Bad Seed around 1960/61. It stunk! And the added on scene at the end was so stupid that it would have killed the movie even if it were any good.


He's sort of a movie legend, but Mervyn LeRoy was really a terrible director. His desecration of Gypsy with the help of the ego-driven Rosalind Russell was, if possible, even worse than The Bad Seed. His list of turkeys is practically endless, and his son Warner proved that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree by turning Tavern on the Green, the classic NYC restaurant, into a McDonald's with better decor.


He probably peaked in the pre-Code era with I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang, Five Star Final, Three on a Match (and Little Caesar, which I don't like). The direction isn't the strength of the films, except maybe for Chain Gang.

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marantzo
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:50 pm Reply with quote
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I was going to say that LeRoy made some good movies waaaay back when, but you bat me to it.

I liked Little Caesar.
Joe Vitus
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:20 pm Reply with quote
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Cannot agree that The Bad Seed stinks. It's too fascinating to stink. Patty McCormack as Rhoda, Henry Jones as the janitor Henry and Evelyn Varden as the kindly landlord are really good. The rest of the cast sound like they memorized their lines by rote (or fell into a fixed rhythm in the course of the stage show's run). But the book (no surprise) is better.

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gromit
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I'd agree if you swap in the drunken mother for the landlady. The landlady is full of precise enunciation which seems the very definition of old stage mannerisms, while her character is also guilty of schmaltzy behavior which threatened to pull me out of the film numerous times. The drunk is played a little broadly, but is a much more interesting presentation and a bit of a wildcard in a pretty mannered script.

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I thought it fit who she was. I expect this was the way matrons of the era often spoke.

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Syd
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I'm watching Army of Shadows now. Thanks to yambu and whiskeypriest and Ghulam for recommending it so long ago.

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billyweeds
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:34 pm Reply with quote
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Joe Vitus wrote:
I thought it fit who she was. I expect this was the way matrons of the era often spoke.


Agreed. It was the great Eileen Heckart as the drunken mother who stunk up the joint. And got nominated for the Oscar.

Btw if I didn't make this clear, I blame Mervyn LeRoy for all the overacting. Heckart and Kelly no doubt gave the same performances on stage and were galvanizing. It was LeRoy's job to tone them down for the screen, not just point the camera and shoot.
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Joe Vitus
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Mervyn LeRoy gave us the great Warner Bros. gangster pictures and a number of the great Warner Bros. backstagers, he produced The Wizard of Oz for MGM. But boy is everyone right here about how much he sucked as a director. He was also a jerk: he hung out with Merman for weeks during the run of Gypsy, promising she had the role of Mama Rose in the movie. We all know how that turned out. (Though personally, I suspect her casting would have not been a triumph. Merman and cinema just ain't the perfect blendship. But Roz???? I say the part should have gone to Judy Garland.)

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Syd wrote:
I'm watching Army of Shadows now. Thanks to yambu and whiskeypriest and Ghulam for recommending it so long ago.

I'm so glad you liked it. Thanks for the referral. I'll have to see it.

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Syd
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:25 am Reply with quote
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Army of Shadows is the best film you'll ever see about the French Resistance. Having enjoyed Black Book only last week, Army makes that one seem trivial.
This is a psychological thriller in the best sense. There are no blown up trains. Rather, the deliberate pacing forces you into the minds of these unsung saboteurs, as they deal with making constant life or death decisions, their solitude, despair, and almost certain knowledge that they will die soon. Simone Signoret is terrific as an absolutely fearless underground operative.


Future yambu traveled back in time to recommend this to me so I could recommend it to you so future yambu could remind you that you've seen it.

Excellent film and future yambu pegged it.

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gromit
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I might have to start renting yambu two rooms in the motel ...

I remember liking Army of Shadows, but can't recall much except a few random scenes. I think it's one of those films that just grips and then washes over you, leaving more a feeling and sense of a way of life than a plot and such. Or maybe I need re-watch it.
I recall the cinematography was sterling.

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Syd
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gromit wrote:
I might have to start renting yambu two rooms in the motel ...

I remember liking Army of Shadows, but can't recall much except a few random scenes. I think it's one of those films that just grips and then washes over you, leaving more a feeling and sense of a way of life than a plot and such. Or maybe I need re-watch it.
I recall the cinematography was sterling.


It's very episodic. The book its based on is apparently more of a series of anecdotes than a tight plot. The title doesn't stick with you.

I was reminded here and there of Rossellini's Open City and the last section of Paisan, which are about Italian resistance fighters. Army of Shadows takes place earlier than what I think of the heroic phase of the French Resistance, which began in 1943 about the time the line of demarcation was eliminated and the Resistance got a lot of recruits. At the time of Army of Shadows, they seem to be more into self-preservation and fighting collaborators than doing actual harm to the Germans. John Kessel's book, incidentally, came out in 1943 and is augmented with Melville's own experiences.

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Syd wrote:
...Future yambu traveled back in time to recommend this to me so I could recommend it to you so future yambu could remind you that you've seen it.

Excellent film and future yambu pegged it.
Man, these Casio watches suck. Right now I'm in a huge, packed matinee at a dayglo movie palace, watching the Dead End Kids and Ronald Reagan. But I'd like to know when I am.

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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:53 am Reply with quote
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The Vicious Kind is a surprisingly twisty variation on the Sundance-style dysfunctional family film. Adam Scott is brilliant as the obnoxious, angry older son of J.K. Simmons; Brittany Snow is the new girlfriend of younger bro Alex Frost. Things transpire, some of them predictable, most of them not, but all very well directed and acted.
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marantzo
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:02 pm Reply with quote
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Billy, your avatar looks a lot like you, but I think the photo (in colour), doesn't look like it was shot in the early 40's.

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