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yambu

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:45 pm

Joined: 23 May 2004 Posts: 6441 Location: SF Bay Area

marantzo wrote:

Yam, what does scit mean?

it's the third person singular of the verb "scire", "to know". Hence, "Qui scit"="Who knows?" We get our word science from its root.

Ecclesiastical Latin is a late form of the language used for every ecclesiastical, royal, legal and scholarly purpose from about 600 AD until its demise in the 1960's.

Classical Latin was the other major, imperial form. Scholars say Caesar would probably have said, "Waynye, weenye, weekye", whereas in the Latin I was taught in Catholic schools, it was always "Vaynee, veedee, veechee".

marantzo

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:01 pm

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I had an inkling that it was "who knows?"

I never took Latin in school so the only Latin I know are the ones in common usage. When i lived in France i always heard that the French, probably just the Parisians who were different than the non-Parisian French, always claimed that their language was it own as it didn't borrow from other languages. Of course "qui" is an example of the nonsense that claim is. There are many words in French that have their roots in Latin, just like many of the European languages, but I guess the Parisians don't consider Latin a legitimate language. Laughing

Syd

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:03 pm

Site Admin Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 12929 Location: Norman, Oklahoma

I think they consider Latin an early form of French.

"Venus" would have been "way-nus", which sounds a bit dirtier.

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bartist

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:25 am

Joined: 27 Apr 2010 Posts: 6961 Location: Black Hills

So, "wul-wa," then?

My Latin motto: "Sic puter crustulum." (that's the way the cookie crumbles)

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knox

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:16 pm

Joined: 18 Mar 2010 Posts: 1246 Location: St. Louis

Quando omnia vincit, moritati.

Seem to remember an episode of the late great 3rd Rock in which someone says they have a red Volvo, and the professor (Lithgow) registers shock and embarassment.

billyweeds

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:45 am

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

Once Upon a Time in Anatolia is a torturous, terribly overlong existential police procedural set in Turkey. It's getting raves from some pretentious film critics (coughManohlaDargiscough), but it's the foreign-language equivalent of the equally unwatchable Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.

An alternate title might be "Law & Order: Antonioni Unit." Except that would be an insult to Antonioni.

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gromit

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:09 am

Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 9016 Location: Shanghai

I've been looking forward to that.
I thought Three Monkeys was terrific -- a stripped-down emotional drama.
But then I watched some of his early films and I kind of got bored and turned off by the narcissism.

You make Once Upon a Time in Anatolia sound like a cross between The Secret in Their Eyes and Police Adj.

Btw, Nuri Bilge Ceylan is pronounced Jay-lan.
The C really has a hook at the bottom, so it's not actually a C, and has a J sound. (really it's more of a dg style J sound)

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billyweeds

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:25 am

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

gromit wrote:

You make Once Upon a Time in Anatolia sound like a cross between The Secret in Their Eyes and Police Adj.

It was described by one critic as a cross between Police, Adjective (which I'd never heard of) and our forum fave Zodiac.

gromit

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:04 am

Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 9016 Location: Shanghai

I knew there was something tricky in that title, but didn't look it up. It's a comma, instead of the abbreviation I went with.

Police, Adjective is by the Romanian director who made 12:08 East of Bucharest, and it follows the same patterns. Kind of a dry droll take on daily life and bureaucracy, and the moral compromises inherent. I kind of liked 12:08, but wanted a bit more.

Police seemed fairly banal, a morally ambiguous Dardennes style police procedural. There is a long take with a very slowly wandering camera during the long main speech which gives the film its title. A more low key pedestrian version of the jail scene in Steve McQueen's Hunger, an ugly film which also bored me.

But check out Ceylan's Three Monkeys aka Uc Maymum. Powerful performances.
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marantzo

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:33 am

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Am I the only one on here that liked Antonioni? I really liked Il Grido, La Notte, Red Desert and Blow-Up. L'Adventura, not so much.

gromit

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:48 pm

Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 9016 Location: Shanghai

Beware The Ides of March -- it isn't that good. I really never believed that Gosling was a hotshot political consultant. A problem is that we are frequently told that he is good, but we don't see anything. He has one idea that he tells his candidate, and frankly it's kind of dopey and oversold. He just doesn't look or seem the part. And then what we see is him making a series of dumb decisions, mistake after mistake (meeting with Giamatti, both telling and not telling his boss, banging the intern). But he's some hotshot political genius. Hmmm.

Also the Clooney candidate never came into focus. Mostly he says a bunch of idealistic platitudes. And doesn't seem to have a clear identity. Also a number of the major premises seemed weak. The GOP is said to be in disarray, so everyone is sure that whoever wins the Dem primary will be the next president. And senator giving his endorsement will shift his delegates and is decisive.

Only Giamatti and Hoffman seemed convincing, and then only half the time. The direction is pretty uninspired and the music cues were annoying. Really all the characters and relationships seemed a bit sketched in.

Okay, I'm a bit harsh. The film is decent enough for a cable watch. But really the intrigue just isn't that intriguing. There's no reason to really care about anyone in the film. or to care which politician or which consultant comes out ahead.

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billyweeds

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:34 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

You aren't the least bit harsh. The movie is okay, nothing more, and sometimes less. It's mediocrity personified, and the least impressive of Gosling's three outings of 2011. Drive is the gold, Crazy. Stupid. Love. the silver. Ides is a scuffed-up bronze.

However, I think you neglect the two best performances in the film. It's supposed to be about men, but the two females are for me the only really interesting characters. Evan Rachel Wood is savvy and sexy as the young woman in the case, and Marisa Tomei provides an original take on an old stereotype, the ball-busting newswoman. She's always fascinating to watch, even as here when she deliberately "uglies herself up."

Giamatti and Hoffman, competent though they are, can't transcend the dumbness of the situation they're acting out.

And Clooney's direction is, as you said, uninspired. Perhaps he was too invested in giving the wonderful performance he gives in The Descendants. (His on-screen work in Ides is nothing special.)

gromit

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:21 pm

Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 9016 Location: Shanghai

Anybody familiar with 50/50?
Saw the dvd out there today and haven't heard of it.

I finally got a new TV, so will start catching up on '11.

Bought Another Earth and Moneyball tonight. Have Melancholia lying around. The Help and 4M's should be around but didn't spot them.

Saw a trailer for Drive and it looked okay, but I felt like I saw the movie.

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billyweeds

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:34 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

gromit wrote:

First things first. Drive is a stylistic masterpiece, and you didn't see it if you only saw the trailer. See it by all means.

50/50 is a comedy about cancer and quite, quite wonderful. See it if at all possible.

Now: The Help is mediocre. Melancholia is striking though uneven. 4M's is scary and memorable. Moneyball is terrific, with two great performances. Another Earth--haven't seen it.

bartist

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:12 pm

Joined: 27 Apr 2010 Posts: 6961 Location: Black Hills

Loved 50/50. Joe-Gord and Seth Rogen are a good team.

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