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| whiskeypriest |
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Joe Vitus wrote: Sorry, I think Schindler's List was a phony, saccharine movie, gimmicked up to get the exact audience response it wanted. And as if a Holocaust movie needs to work to get people on its side! Walking out of the movie, I turned to my friend and said "I didn't feel the need to cry." She replied "I know, the soundtrack did my crying for me."
Actually, I don't disagree with joe all that much - the movie had two or three moments where it strained too hard after the emotions it was trying to evoke. But in general, given the natural impact of the story, it kept the efforts within bounds. And to dislike a Spielberg movie because it aims for a gut level emotional impact is like disliking a horror movie because it scares you. Spielberg movies are at their best when they operate on a gut level; that's what he does best.
The Auschwitz scenes and the scene where Schindler breaks down by the car are the ones where I thought Spielberg wielded the emotional hammer to bluntly. Also, the pebble scene. |
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| Ghulam |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:45 pm |
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whiskeypriest wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: Sorry, I think Schindler's List was a phony, saccharine movie, gimmicked up to get the exact audience response it wanted. And as if a Holocaust movie needs to work to get people on its side! Walking out of the movie, I turned to my friend and said "I didn't feel the need to cry." She replied "I know, the soundtrack did my crying for me." the type of comment I would expect from you. That's what being unable to appreciate Hitchcock does for you: it leaves you an empty, soulless, heartless wretch.
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:55 pm |
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Saw War Horse again tonight. See above review. It holds up. A classic.
I also see where it's a somewhat surprising smash at the box office. There was some concern about what audience it was trying to connect with--kids, adults, urban, rural, etc. Apparently it's connecting with them all. I'm revising my premature Harry Potter Oscar prediction. |
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| Marc |
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| jeremy |
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| carrobin |
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| Very cool collection of "Raiders" clips--no wonder the film resonated with familiarity. But of course, it was supposed to bring back those feelings of old Saturday matinee flicks (though those Saturday adventures of the 1930s and 40s were more likely to be seen on Saturday TV in the 50s and 60s). The original "Raiders" was a beautifully crafted film--but then they got a little sloppy. I enjoyed them all, though I agree that "Crystal Skull" was the worst of the lot. |
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| chillywilly |
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jeremy wrote: Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. was one of the worst movies, ever.
The ending proved to me they took way too long to release the 4th movie, which is normally the "we've gone too far in looking for more money" trilogy saga of Hollywood execs.
A sad black mark on Spielberg. |
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marantzo wrote: Saw The Terminal once in the theatre and once on TV. I liked it. A sweet movie. Had forgotten it was one of Spielberg's movies. Seeing as it was New Years eve last night; I saw Always on New Year's eve way back when and I liked that one too, though I don't think it got a lot of praise.
My ex-wife loved Always and used to watch it a lot back when it came out on video (VHS and Laserdisc). The cast alone was great, let alone it being a Spielberg movie. |
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Joe Vitus wrote: Sorry, I think Schindler's List was a phony, saccharine movie, gimmicked up to get the exact audience response it wanted. And as if a Holocaust movie needs to work to get people on its side! Walking out of the movie, I turned to my friend and said "I didn't feel the need to cry." She replied "I know, the soundtrack did my crying for me."
There's a documentary on the Holocaust that was on PBS some years ago which didn't have the movie drama that SL has and I got pretty emotional watching that. I think Spielberg was attached to it, but it was more of a history than a story. |
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chillywilly wrote: marantzo wrote: Saw The Terminal once in the theatre and once on TV. I liked it. A sweet movie. Had forgotten it was one of Spielberg's movies. Seeing as it was New Years eve last night; I saw Always on New Year's eve way back when and I liked that one too, though I don't think it got a lot of praise.
My ex-wife loved Always and used to watch it a lot back when it came out on video (VHS and Laserdisc). The cast alone was great, let alone it being a Spielberg movie.
I have the problem that Holly Hunter has more chemistry with John Goodman than with the guy she supposedly falls in love with. |
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Very interesting and that guy certainly did a great job of research and editing.
So Joe is right, Spielberg is just a film thief.  |
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| Joe Vitus |
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chillywilly wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: Sorry, I think Schindler's List was a phony, saccharine movie, gimmicked up to get the exact audience response it wanted. And as if a Holocaust movie needs to work to get people on its side! Walking out of the movie, I turned to my friend and said "I didn't feel the need to cry." She replied "I know, the soundtrack did my crying for me."
There's a documentary on the Holocaust that was on PBS some years ago which didn't have the movie drama that SL has and I got pretty emotional watching that. I think Spielberg was attached to it, but it was more of a history than a story.
I'd much rather watch a documentary on this subject that a fictional movie. Also, I thought the verdict was still out on Schindler, in terms of whether he was really concerned about aiding the Jews or just exploiting them in his own way. |
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Joe wrote: "I'd much rather watch a documentary on this subject that a fictional movie. Also, I thought the verdict was still out on Schindler, in terms of whether he was really concerned about aiding the Jews or just exploiting them in his own way."
Have you seen Shoah? It's around 8 hours long and I don't think I've seen all the episodes but it is a documentary that consists of mainly interviews of people that were there during the time or had taken part in the massacre. I don't watch holocaust movies or even news clips of it, but Shoah doesn't show these things it shows and documents the people, places and attitudes that surrounded it. |
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