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| billyweeds |
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No, you're not nearly as bad as I am yet, and here's how I know:
I posted about WBAZ myself, and when I saw it on my computer screen about an hour later I thought it was Boston's home for light jazz. True story. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:06 am |
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Joe Vitus wrote: yambu wrote: billyweeds wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: "Romp" is so not the word for Amadeus, with it's Freudian anxiety and murderous Salieri.
I can dig it, however. Amadeus may be about homicidal instincts, but it's an essentially comic vision. IMO. Salieri is such a fool and Mozart such a twit that you can't really take their battle seriously. Salieri doesn't figure in Mozart's death scene.
He only caused it, that's all. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:04 pm |
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| He murders him. He dresses up in the costume of the Commendatore (who is interpreted as stand-in for Mozart's alienated father), pretends to be an angry representative of the Masons, demands Mozart write a Mass to make amends for revealing the secrets of the Masons. This terrifies Mozart,and though under great strain of heath, he pushes himself to complete the assignment, though the effort can only lead to his death. It's murder. Psychological warfare, not weaponry, but it's murder pure and simple. That's why Salieri asks for confession right before his death and tells the whole tale in flashback. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:05 pm |
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| This whole thread should be in Couch or The Lobby. Just sayin'. |
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| chillywilly |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:09 pm |
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whiskeypriest wrote: As an aside, I kept seeing references here to WBAZ and kept thinking, what is that, FM 91.1, Boston's Home for Light Jazz? Even when the movie is being discussed one paragraph earlier. I'm getting as bad at these acronyms as BW.
Ha.. that would be the call letter format for an east coast radio station.
Get ready for TGWTDT (The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo). I've been typing it a lot last night after I download the movie soundtrack and chatting with a friend about it. |
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| bartist |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:57 pm |
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| Didn't some Swedes already make that movie and do a really fine job? I'm not totally against remakes, but this is f-ing ridiculous. It's been what, a couple years? |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:48 pm |
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bartist wrote: Didn't some Swedes already make that movie and do a really fine job? I'm not totally against remakes, but this is f-ing ridiculous. It's been what, a couple years?
Couldn't agree more; and any murder mystery that takes two-and-a-half-hours is doing something wrong. Don't have to see the movie to know that much. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:50 pm |
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| Earl really loved the first one, though if I remember correctly he thought the series went further downhill with each entry. Don't know if he has any interest in the remake. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:18 pm |
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Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close is sometimes moving but more often forced and whimsical. It's the story of an Asperger's-type boy who loses his dad on 9/11 and sets out on a search for the lock that fits a key his father left behind. Meets many people, including an old man played by Max von Sydow, who is quite fine. Young Thomas Horn plays the boy and he's quite fine, and his parents are Tom Hanks and Sandra Bullock, both of whom are quite fine. Everyone's quite fine, in fact, but the writing and direction tread a perilous line between tear-jerker and pretentious philosophy. Twee moments abound. It's a well made movie, but I sort of detest it for thinking it's too cool for school and too hip for the room and quite a bit holier than thou, or moi.
It will attract many fans, most of whom I would bet love Forrest Gump.
P.S. Just checked the credits of Stephen Daldry, the director. Not surprisingly, he's a Brit. There's something faux-European in this film, and I mean that in a strongly negative way. Daldry also directed The Hours, a movie I find strikingly awful in many of the same ways as EL&IC. His followup, The Reader, is also far from one of my faves. Daldry has a mindset I have next to nothing in common with. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:08 am |
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chillywilly wrote: whiskeypriest wrote: As an aside, I kept seeing references here to WBAZ and kept thinking, what is that, FM 91.1, Boston's Home for Light Jazz? Even when the movie is being discussed one paragraph earlier. I'm getting as bad at these acronyms as BW.
Ha.. that would be the call letter format for an east coast radio station.
Get ready for TGWTDT (The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo). I've been typing it a lot last night after I download the movie soundtrack and chatting with a friend about it.
Acronyms can be confusing more than helpful. Although with Mary Missay Marsha Madeline, or whatever the fuck it's actually called, MMMM is easier on my abused and shattered short term recall. And sounds delicious. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:09 am |
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Joe Vitus wrote: He murders him. He dresses up in the costume of the Commendatore (who is interpreted as stand-in for Mozart's alienated father), pretends to be an angry representative of the Masons, demands Mozart write a Mass to make amends for revealing the secrets of the Masons. This terrifies Mozart,and though under great strain of heath, he pushes himself to complete the assignment, though the effort can only lead to his death. It's murder. Psychological warfare, not weaponry, but it's murder pure and simple. That's why Salieri asks for confession right before his death and tells the whole tale in flashback. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:55 am |
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It just occurred to me after reading Billy's last post that in general, over the last decade or so the dramas, comedies, bios, sci-fi, rom-coms etc. are far more vulnerable to having the "Oh isn't that precious? or What an insult to my intelligence, or How did this bloated piece of nothing get off the shelf? or I wasted two hours of my life, or I laughed once during the credits, or Why did these fine actors agree to be in this dreck," being the reaction, than outright, over the top thriller, action film spectacles. Even the less accomplished ones are usually enough fun that you don't find them a waste of your time. Sometimes they are, leave your credibility at the door entertainment, but they entertain. Often the writing in these action flix is also good, and can be humourous.
That's my reaction, anyway. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:19 am |
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| Just to be clear, EL&IC is far from dreck. It's extraordinarily well made but should be titled "Extremely Annoying & Incredibly Twee." A lot of people will loooooovvvvvve it, and I mean that as dismissively as it looks. It's a big-budget movie with built-in appeal for intellectual snobs and mid-cult mavens. It's Forrest Gump with slightly less popular appeal. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:54 pm |
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Gary, nothing is worse IMO than bad sci-fi. For me, it's because it is derived from science fiction, which is characterized as a literature of ideas, so the expectation is high for something that really engages the brain as well as the heart and glands. So, what happens when you strip away interesting ideas about man's relation to technology, the future, what it means to be human or non-human? You get a film in which the elements of science fiction are reduced to gimmicks....devices that set up gee-whiz CGI and lots of action -- often, it's really just a western or a cop film shot into orbit or into another time. The originating idea has been gutted and turned into stylish nonsense or just nonsense. And that's disappointing.
My film partner and I had a laugh when the title of ELAIC popped on the screen during the trailers, because we have a longstanding debate on where to sit in a theater. Her choice of seat is, to me, extremely loud and incredibly close. |
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| Speaking of bad sci-fi, I was going to mention this yesterday. While killing some time lying in bed the other day I, as usual flipped though some channels and came across a scene of a red-headed women lying in a hospital bed. She said something to the doctor and with only that short dialogue I knew I was watching the worst actress ever and had to stick with the movie. Just so the picture would be balanced, every actor and actress in it was awful. It was a sci-fi film, so bad that I was riveted. Luckily they had the name of the film in the closing credits and the list of actors. It was The Angry Red Planet, a movie I had heard of but never seen. It must have been on Science Fiction Theater 2000. It is a must see. Absolutely everything about it is laughable terrible. The budget couldn't have been anything more than four figures. |
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