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Joe Vitus
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:41 am Reply with quote
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Syd wrote:
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I don't recall anyone saying Marie Antoinette was inept or laughable, the major issues with Showgirls. Mostly it was considered shallow, and too concentrated on Versailles. I still haven't see it, but it looks like a gorgeous pastry.


My problem was that it concentrated on the part of Marie Antoinette's life I didn't find all that interesting, and ended, deliberately, at the point at which the royal court moves to Paris. That's pretty early in the French Revolution.


Well, Marie Antoinette and her circle were radically un-political. That's sort of the point, isn't it. I know Lady W (I miss her) had a similar reaction to yours. But, geesh, how many movies, books, etc. have we had about the French Revolution, or concentrating on the peasant/bourgeoisie? The movie is Marie Antoinette, after all, and thus should reflect her experience. I kinda like the idea of a movie in which, when the Revolution occurs, the viewer is taken by surprise and wonders "Where did this come from?" Exactly what I suspect Maire Antoinette herself thought.

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Joe Vitus
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:41 am Reply with quote
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Watched the restored version of Sam Fuller's The Big Red One last night. At almost three hours, it should be exhausting, but instead it's absorbing. I really needed to go to sleep in order to wake up early this morning, but I kept telling myself "another half hour, another half hour." The movie pulled me in and held me.

I remember trying to watch the shorter version sometime back in the early 90's, but never getting passed the first half hour or so. Don't know why. Maybe the cuts really hurt it. But this version is amazing, and the sequence in the concentration camp is more powerful to me than all of Schindler's List.

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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:54 am Reply with quote
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Never heard of "The Big Red One," which is odd considering I live in Nebraska.

Re: M. Ant. --
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I kinda like the idea of a movie in which, when the Revolution occurs, the viewer is taken by surprise and wonders "Where did this come from?"


Moi aussi.

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Joe Vitus wrote:
Watched the restored version of Sam Fuller's The Big Red One last night. At almost three hours, it should be exhausting, but instead it's absorbing. I really needed to go to sleep in order to wake up early this morning, but I kept telling myself "another half hour, another half hour." The movie pulled me in and held me.

I remember trying to watch the shorter version sometime back in the early 90's, but never getting passed the first half hour or so. Don't know why. Maybe the cuts really hurt it. But this version is amazing, and the sequence in the concentration camp is more powerful to me than all of Schindler's List.


I've heard good things about it but haven't seen it. I'm going to rectify that.

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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:25 pm Reply with quote
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Joe Vitus wrote:
Watched the restored version of Sam Fuller's The Big Red One last night. At almost three hours, it should be exhausting, but instead it's absorbing. I really needed to go to sleep in order to wake up early this morning, but I kept telling myself "another half hour, another half hour." The movie pulled me in and held me.

I remember trying to watch the shorter version sometime back in the early 90's, but never getting passed the first half hour or so. Don't know why. Maybe the cuts really hurt it. But this version is amazing, and the sequence in the concentration camp is more powerful to me than all of Schindler's List.


we should really try to enjoy these whole they last. I've heard from a friend in restoration that the whole thing is going to get very sticky soon. No 35mm prints of any kind leaving MGM Or Paramount collection NOW. They just put out the word. So we'll have to rely on private collectors for prints to restore.

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Joe Vitus
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:19 pm Reply with quote
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It's funny you should say that, because I noticed while watching it how grainy the movie looked. So I guess the source material was already deteriorating. By the way, Warners stuck the movie an an easily breakable (and, in fact, broken before purchase) "recycle" container. No expense wasted. Don't think they're much concerned about this movie.

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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:55 am Reply with quote
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Was I the only one that thought The King’s Speech was rather mediocre. One of the films that takes a minor issue and imbues it with Significance. I thought it was amusing how small in comparison the film portrayed the abdication of the brother.

I just didn't care for the central performance much.
I did think Helena Bonham Carter, and her hair, were quite good, but she had a pretty minor supporting role.
Rush was good. It was weird how the film invested itself in the relationship between the two men, but only kind of half-presented the speech lessons.
I was mostly disinterested.
Two nice touches: the Hitler speech and reaction; the way the children (one future queen) react to their father's new title.

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billyweeds
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:08 am Reply with quote
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I think The King's Speech was somewhat overpraised overall, but it was not mediocre by any stretch of the imagination. It was a solid, very fine film with great entertainment value and a certain amount of historical interest. The story was not about the Duke of Windsor, so the amount of time spent with him was adequate to the task, I think. And Guy Pearce as the duke and Eve Best as Wallis Simpson were so good that they made every minute count.
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bartist
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:35 am Reply with quote
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Sometimes if you hear a lot of people heap praise on a film, just pour it on, it can kind of downgrade the actual experience when you watch it yourself. That happend to me with Crumb 15 years ago -- everybody and his dog and Roger Ebert were just peeing their pants over it, so I finally see it and, ok, it's a bio-doc about an interesting guy and his fucked-up family and how he draws the dark subconscious of America and obsesses over legs and butts. What's the BFD? Artists are peculiar and individualistics -- read the biography of Joseph Cornell and it makes Crumb sound well-adjusted.

OK, long story short, I see it again a decade later, minus all the attendant fuss, and I was much more impressed, walked away from the viewing really liking Crumb and his passion for getting past the shallow bullshit and his great sense of humor about himself and his life.

I hope somebody is looking in on Max.

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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:54 am Reply with quote
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bartist wrote:
Sometimes if you hear a lot of people heap praise on a film, just pour it on, it can kind of downgrade the actual experience when you watch it yourself. That happend to me with Crumb 15 years ago -- everybody and his dog and Roger Ebert were just peeing their pants over it, so I finally see it and, ok, it's a bio-doc about an interesting guy and his fucked-up family and how he draws the dark subconscious of America and obsesses over legs and butts. What's the BFD? Artists are peculiar and individualistics -- read the biography of Joseph Cornell and it makes Crumb sound well-adjusted.

OK, long story short, I see it again a decade later, minus all the attendant fuss, and I was much more impressed, walked away from the viewing really liking Crumb and his passion for getting past the shallow bullshit and his great sense of humor about himself and his life.

I hope somebody is looking in on Max.


People take away what they take away from a film. I loved Crumb the first time I saw it, pre-praise and all--but despised Crumb the man, and thought the title was perfect. It was his name, and described him to a T.
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:31 am Reply with quote
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"The King's Speech" was the only Oscar-nominated film I'd seen by Oscar night, and I was delighted that it swept so many awards. Of course I'm an anglophile, and I found the whole film beautifully done and rather moving. I knew the whole story because, as mentioned before, I'd seen "Bertie and Elizabeth" on PBS, but that didn't put much emphasis on the therapist's role. As for Edward and Wallis, they were the instigators of the crisis, as far as the film's audience was concerned--sure it was the country's crisis at the time, but it was a different and very personal crisis for the future George VI. Oscar well earned, IMO.
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:40 pm Reply with quote
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Billy -- my point was just how pre-praise affects me sometimes. Not saying Crumb doesn't have his odious qualities, but on a second viewing I found that the filmmaker managed somehow to get me looking past them and get a glimpse of the person -- one who somehow emerged from a familial hellhole and didn't go bugfuck crazy.

Carro -- I'm guessing you might have liked Young Victoria, as well? Similar film, in its tight focus on a particular piece of a famous person's life, a piece drawn a little outside the traditional historical spotlight.

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Haven't seen "Young Victoria"--but I think I will.
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Joe Vitus
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:15 pm Reply with quote
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Bart,

Not only have I had that experience, I often have the opposite. General bad response lowers my expectations so considerably that I end up liking a picture much better than other people did.

Billy,

Can't say I found Crumb a crumb, but he's not a person I would want to spend any personal time with, either. Loved the movie, but it's so depressing I've never re-watched it. Crumb's father was the truly hideous person, and I can't even find a strong enough word to serve as an expression for what he did to his family.

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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:51 am Reply with quote
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Charles Crumb is fascinating, because he's so messed up -- and in the same ways as Robert, but without the success or the successful defense mechanisms.
Charles is key to the whole film and Robert's career and personality.
Have to say that I totally forgot what the father did.

I think for any viewing, my mood and attention span at that time play a much much greater role than any expectations.

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