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billyweeds |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:15 pm |
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Shane wrote: billyweeds wrote: carrobin wrote: Bart--haven't you seen "The Professional"? That's the first time I saw Portman, and she was pretty impressive. It's a lot like "Gloria," with the genders reversed.
Leon aka The Professional is one of the very very few movies I have ever walked out on in a theater, mainly because of Portman's annoyingly amateurish presence. She was not remotely ready for prime time at that point in her career. She peaked early and magnificently a couple of years later in Beautiful Girls, in which she completely stole the show from a bunch of stars. Since then she's maintained a competent but uninspired level. Her performance in Black Swan is perfectly okay though hardly award-worthy. But Hollywood is Hollywood and she'll probably win.
I can't believe I am in such agreement with you Billy, I thought Black Swan was so taken with itself I wanted to walk out and let it get on with it..however I'll always have a copy of Leon in my collection just for the over the top work of ALL the cast. Miss Portman was splendid in her role as far as I could see and it took little effort on her part to convince me of her genuine talent. Which I consider now being wasted time and film after time.
I had completely forgotten that the main reason I walked out on Leon was the totally OTT and OOC work of Gary Oldman, who himself later credited his lousy performance for getting him sober at long last, seeing as how he had acted Leon while drunk. |
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:26 pm |
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Heck I would have thought he acted most of the movies I've liked him in that way. Look at his work in Fifth Element, he can barely stand at the desk without hanging on!! His role in True Romance practically required his being so stoned he couldn't even put up a good fight while being killed. He has always struck me as a very good reason to 'type cast'. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:46 pm |
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jeremy wrote: Australia, Canada, it;s all much of a muchness, just another dominion where they speak funny,
Well according to a number of NYers in my cab, I didn't have an accent and they wanted to know where I was from. I guess I didn't use the word 'about' during our conversations.  |
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Shane |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:51 pm |
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Isn't that 'aboot'?? |
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:28 pm |
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marantzo wrote: I just learned something very interesting on the radio this morning about The King's Speech. Listening to the CBC this morning on my computer they mentioned a fib in the film. George VI first speech after his speech impediment was dealt with was not made in England, but get this, in Winnipeg. Many thousands watched his speech and about 15,000 Americans came up to the city to see it. They played the recordings they had from the radio broadcasts and it was impressive but they didn't have the recording of the speech. This took place in the spring of 1939. The King's speech was a great success and apparently he didn't have a stutter.
Here is a short piece on the event:
http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/01/26/the-kings-winnipeg-speech/
According to this article, the fibs were few, but they existed. More in terms of aesthetics or for dramatic purposes than anything else. But your article, Gary is far more intriguing.
http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/02/04/the-kings-speech-fact-vs-fiction/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl9%7Csec1_lnk3%7C199332 |
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:41 pm |
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Quote: ... It could be said that at times this bordered on caricature, but I’m sure nobody ever told Dickens to tone it down to make his characters more believable.
That's an excellent point to be made, generally, when characters are amped up a bit for purposes of drama. Caricature isn't always a bad thing, and the Coens aren't exactly practitioners of cinema verite.
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inlareviewer |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:48 pm |
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My thoughts on New Grit are several pages back, and there they shall stay, unless I decide to link 'em. Will just say it didn't exactly move me, but it isn't an unworthy fillum.
At Friday's work assignment, was seated next to an LADCC colleague of advanced years who is (a) married to an Aclademite (former nominated screenwriter), and (b) a naturalized citizen of British descent. All I had to say was "I presume you've seen The King's Speech," and she went off in raptures, noting that when she was a little girl in London in the 30s, she and her coevals were very much aware of the Duke of York-turned-King's affliction, she still remembers The Speech and what it meant at the time for the country, and she was thrilled at how skillfully the film dramatized the situation. She and husband have now seen their screener 4 times (a lot for someone who gets everything every year because he's voting). Apart from the personal input, her ecstatics largely mirrored the reaction I've gotten consistently from AMPAS members, Industry workers, fellow criticalities and public-sector friends here in Highlyweird since December (barring my former Circle veep, the Talking Broadway criic, a stickler of discerning hardline ilk, who found it lovely to look upon, beautifully acted, and ultimately predictable). The Variety associate at the Next to Normal opening last November who asserted its eventual supremacy after the first press screening increasingly appears to have been prescient.
But, not being that way myself, must ask:
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marantzo |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:53 pm |
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Where's Lorne? He's the engine behind the Blanches and does fantastic work for Blanche Night. |
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:57 pm |
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As a former fan of the Odd Couple, it's sad that I only just now got the "Blanche" joke there. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:14 pm |
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knox wrote: As a former fan of the Odd Couple, it's sad that I only just now got the "Blanche" joke there.
Welcome to the party, and better late than never! |
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Marj |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:26 pm |
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inlareviewer wrote: My thoughts on New Grit are several pages back, and there they shall stay, unless I decide to link 'em. Will just say it didn't exactly move me, but it isn't an unworthy fillum.
At Friday's work assignment, was seated next to an LADCC colleague of advanced years who is (a) married to an Aclademite (former nominated screenwriter), and (b) a naturalized citizen of British descent. All I had to say was "I presume you've seen The King's Speech," and she went off in raptures, noting that when she was a little girl in London in the 30s, she and her coevals were very much aware of the Duke of York-turned-King's affliction, she still remembers The Speech and what it meant at the time for the country, and she was thrilled at how skillfully the film dramatized the situation. She and husband have now seen their screener 4 times (a lot for someone who gets everything every year because he's voting). Apart from the personal input, her ecstatics largely mirrored the reaction I've gotten consistently from AMPAS members, Industry workers, fellow criticalities and public-sector friends here in Highlyweird since December (barring my former Circle veep, the Talking Broadway criic, a stickler of discerning hardline ilk, who found it lovely to look upon, beautifully acted, and ultimately predictable). The Variety associate at the Next to Normal opening last November who asserted its eventual supremacy after the first press screening increasingly appears to have been prescient.
Must say, this means more to me than any of these articles. |
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:29 pm |
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Funny how nobody seems to have seen "Bertie and Elizabeth," the British TV movie that was shown on PBS several years ago. It covered the same period as "The King's Speech" but didn't give much emphasis to the speech therapist--more to the wife. Alan Bates and Eileen Atkins were King George V and Queen Mary; unfortunately the other members of the cast didn't share their charisma, but it was still a very good little film. |
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Shane |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:52 pm |
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bartist wrote: Quote: ... It could be said that at times this bordered on caricature, but I’m sure nobody ever told Dickens to tone it down to make his characters more believable.
That's an excellent point to be made, generally, when characters are amped up a bit for purposes of drama. Caricature isn't always a bad thing, and the Coens aren't exactly practitioners of cinema verite.
Hi, Shane.
Hey bartist...new name? or new person or someone I've forgotten and shall be flogged with the cat for.... |
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:19 pm |
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Quote: who found it lovely to look upon, beautifully acted, and ultimately predictable .
Inla.......that's the word.......predictable. That's why I was in no rush to see it. However.........I'm sensing from the audience I saw it with that it has a wide appeal and will be the winner. Some viewers haven't followed Colin Firth and Geoffrey Rush and haven't been aware of their talent. They're bowled over. And it's a feel-good story with these pleasing elements: the class difference is overcome, the country is inspired by their leader in a time of war, happy marriages and families trump the multi-divorced and adultrous couplings. So what if he didn't want to be king? I can relate to that.
True Grit isn't my favorite, though it was well done and the 14 year old is obviously meant for the big screen. I don't like watching people pull out guns and kill other people.
Gary.....when I visited Toronto they thought I had a southern accent. (Pittsburgh?) |
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:07 am |
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marantzo wrote: Australia? Who said anything about Australia?
The broadcast of the speech in Winnipeg was broadcast around the British Empire with an audience of 100's of millions. The BBC carried it of course.
The King wasn't the King in those early speeches. It was 1937 when he became King, wasn't it?
The speech he made in 1927 was to the Australian Parliament. He was of course Prince Albert of York at the time. I doubt that it was heard much outside of Australia. |
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