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marantzo
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:43 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
To be fair to Lorne, the mainstream critics were similarly divided on the quality of the film. Myself, though I basically agree with Betsy about the merits of YWMATDS, I don't say it's Woody's best or even one of his top five. But IMO it's definitely one of his only excellent films of the last ten or so years.

It's sort of like Husbands and Wives or Crimes and Misdemeanors. That is, it fits squarely into the "dramedy" genre--as opposed to the "comedy" (Bananas, Sleeper, Annie Hall, Take the Money and Run), "comedy-drama" (Manhattan, Vicky Cristina Barcelona, Hannah and Her Sisters), or (yuck) "drama" (Another Woman, Cassandra's Dream, September, Interiors) genres that Woody has made.

And it's a very fine example of the dramedy genre. The acting is wonderful right down the line. In particular by Josh Brolin, who has been establishing himself as one of our best character actors, but outdoes himself here with an utterly egoless portrayal of a total loser idiot, and yet on some level makes us care about him.

Lucy Punch, as the hooker wife of Anthony Hopkins, is brilliant. Naomi Watts takes a potentially thankless role and turns it into an acting lesson. Gemma Jones as her mother is bewitchingly ditzy. The movie is funny and sad and legitimately "ironic." And for once I don't care that the story goes nowhere. We really don't want there to be a typical "ending." Because scene by scene and moment to moment there is always something to enjoy and often something to be enlightened by. The film is misogynistic but in a frequently very funny way.

In short, one of Woody's top ten if not his top five. Oh, hell, here's my list:

1) Manhattan
2) Annie Hall
3) Zelig
4) Husbands and Wives
5) Everyone Says I Love You
6) Broadway Danny Rose
7) Vicky Cristina Barcelona
Cool You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger
9) Manhattan Murder Mystery
10) What's Up Tiger Lily?


(Side note: Why does 8 (the figure eight) come out as an emoticon?)

The dregs:

Hollywood Ending, Deconstructing Harry, Whatever Works, The Curse of the Jade Scorpion.

Overrated:

Sweet and Lowdown, Crimes and Misdemeanors, The Purple Rose of Cairo.


I agree with most of your picks and discards except for, Deconstructing Harry (I only saw mit once, on TV, and liked it), I had fun with The Curse of The Jade Scorpion, it was an old fashioned Saturday matinee movie for me.

I don't think Sweet and Lowdown or Crimes and Misdemeanors are overrated. The Purple Rose of Cairo surely is.

Of your top ten, I'd eliminate Manhattan Murder Mystery, I found it way too frenetic. I'd replace it with Bullets Over Broadway or some other, way before MMM.
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I'm not sure if The Purple Rose of Cairo is overrated as much as it is less timeless. I enjoyed it a lot when I saw it in the 80's and early 90's. I must have watched it numerous times. But when I came back to it after a decade, it just didn't hold up.

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I'm amazed by a top 10 Woody Allen list that doesn't include Hannah and Her Sisters, Radio Days or Love and Death.

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When I was working for the film class, we saw every Woody Allen film (and even had him as a guest once). And we loved them. I haven't seen many of his since leaving the class in 1998, though, and when I see "Bananas" or "Sleeper" on TV, they don't hold up, although there are still scenes that make me fall about laughing. (I wish TCM would show "Love and Death," which I remember very fondly but don't know if it would still be a favorite.) But "Annie Hall" is the classic, always one of my top five movies no matter how much they shift.
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Syd wrote:
I'm amazed by a top 10 Woody Allen list that doesn't include Hannah and Her Sisters, Radio Days or Love and Death.


The only one of these I would consider is Hannah, which is truly wonderful. RD and LAD are IMO just okay though certainly not bad at all.
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Love and Death is a classic. The best movie he made in his "I make just-funny movies" period.

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Is it acceptable to review a film based on its trailer? I just saw the one for Gulliver's Travels; I guess it was only a matter of time, but Jack Black has really worked his way deep into Razzie territory.

It is reminiscent of Hook in totally misinterpreting the tone of a piece classic literature, which is interesting, given the similarities between Jack Black and the equally lost Robin Williams.

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I love Jack Black, but it's hard to imagine him as Gulliver.
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The acting is wonderful right down the line. In particular by Josh Brolin, who has been establishing himself as one of our best character actors, but outdoes himself here with an utterly egoless portrayal of a total loser idiot, and yet on some level makes us care about him.


Yes.......Brolin is reason enough to see You Will Meet.............. I liked it because there was no Woody/Woody stand-in. This time the director was suppressing his ego and enjoying the unfolding of his characters stories.

I thought Husbands and Wives was to rough and raw. Manhattan was visually wonderful.......but why do I have to see Woody favored by a much younger woman?

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There was one slight bright spot to make up for missing my Daily News (with my letter-to-the-editor) Friday: I got to read the Post's Michael Riedel theater column, with its description of the "Spider-Man" problems as it struggles through rather dangerous rehearsals, and I read Kyle Smith's movie reviews. He hated, hated, hated "Fair Game" (Valerie Plame and her husband were liars and Sean Penn's hairdo is "a fuming gusher") and "Client 9: The Rise and Fall of Eliot Spitzer" (a "hero-worship documentary")--somehow his political bias always manages to slip through. But his review of "Due Date" is probably funnier than the movie. He hated it even more than he hated Plame and Spitzer, no doubt for better reasons. He loathes Zach Galifianakis ("this fur pudding, this brown sheep, this soggy lump of shag carpeting") and Downey "hasn't been so conspicuously wasted since the late 1990s." I'd never take Smith's word on the merits of a movie, but he could be right about that one.
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carrobin wrote:
There was one slight bright spot to make up for missing my Daily News (with my letter-to-the-editor) Friday: I got to read the Post's Michael Riedel theater column, with its description of the "Spider-Man" problems as it struggles through rather dangerous rehearsals, and I read Kyle Smith's movie reviews. He hated, hated, hated "Fair Game" (Valerie Plame and her husband were liars and Sean Penn's hairdo is "a fuming gusher") and "Client 9: The Rise and Fall of Eliot Spitzer" (a "hero-worship documentary")--somehow his political bias always manages to slip through. But his review of "Due Date" is probably funnier than the movie. He hated it even more than he hated Plame and Spitzer, no doubt for better reasons. He loathes Zach Galifianakis ("this fur pudding, this brown sheep, this soggy lump of shag carpeting") and Downey "hasn't been so conspicuously wasted since the late 1990s." I'd never take Smith's word on the merits of a movie, but he could be right about that one.


Kyle Smith is one of the funniest writers going, and one of the least reliable critics. He is a thoroughgoing right-winger and it shows shows and shows. He's also a Yalie, and there are few things more infuriatingly intelligent than a Yalie conservative.
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jeremy wrote:
Is it acceptable to review a film based on its trailer?
Ask gary. Sometimes he does not even need the trailer.

Anyway, for what it is worth, I've already decided to vote for True Grit for the Blanche based solely on its trailer.

Well, that and the talent involved. But mostly for the bear riding the horse.


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1. Annie Hall
2. Hannah and Her Sisters
3. Crimes and Misdemeanors
4. Manhattan
5. Love and Death
6. BVC... wait...
7. Marantz*
8. Because 8 followed by ) is the code for the sunglass smiley face, that's why. You need to put something like [ i][/i ] in the middle to get 8).




* Or, Zelig....

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I guess the time I met Woody downstairs in the art deco store where I worked and was putting up old posters was when he got the idea for Zelig.

I didn't even realize he was Woody Allan until I talked to my friend and owner of the posters, upstairs. If you don't remember my little story; When I went upstairs he asked if he were interested in buying any of the posters. I told him that he didn't say but asked me some questions about them. Then I said, "They were probably more than he could afford." Repy: "Are you kidding? That was Woody Allan!"

He was with a nice looking blonde (and not a youngster). I think she was British.
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jeremy wrote:
Is it acceptable to review a film based on its trailer? I just saw the one for Gulliver's Travels; I guess it was only a matter of time, but Jack Black has really worked his way deep into Razzie territory.

It is reminiscent of Hook in totally misinterpreting the tone of a piece classic literature, which is interesting, given the similarities between Jack Black and the equally lost Robin Williams.


From the look of the trailers, Gulliver's Travels may have some serious competition for Razzies from the Yogi Bear movie.

The Justin Bieber movie Never Say Never is apparently a 2011 release and looks painful.

Rango (the chameleon in the old West film) looks like it will be fun.

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