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| bartist |
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gromit wrote: Bart, are you a vegetarian?
Otherwise you are responsible for a goodly amount of animal suffering and death.
I am, as it happens, but I didn't feel it necessary to embrace bullfighting even in my meat years. Meat eaters who are okay with the treatment of livestock in factory farming are not necessarily okay with the ritualized torment and bloody spectacle of the ring. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:50 am |
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Good for you.
I've been a veggie for my whole adult life.
I fully understand your argument, as the sport/spectacle is pretty mean and nauseating, BUT I assume that the bull who gets in the ring has a better, longer and healthier life than your average hamburger/steak cattle. Yes, he gets fucked with in a bizarre mass spectacle which must be confusing and painful, but he also gets a chance to attack his tormentors (man: the cow parasite). Did you check out the vid I posted of the beefy fella who got up into the stands and rampaged?
The food industry treatment of animals is much worse than bullfighting, not only because of its vast scale of death, but also its invisibility and mechanized killing are pernicious/evil. |
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| bartist |
| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:49 pm |
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A compelling point you make there regarding the relative scale of factory farming v. the bullfight -- I think "invisibility" is a good word there, as most carnivores are completely separated from the feedlot and packing plant. I think it was Linda McCartney who said something like, if slaughterhouses had glass walls, we would all be vegetarian.
....and yeah, the bull in the ring does have more chance to fight back and perhaps even up the supply of donor organs in Latin America. Makes you wonder if there are vegetarians lurking in the stands, quietly cheering on el toro. I'll check out the video you posted. |
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| grace |
| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:54 pm |
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| I'm a lapsed vegetarian, but I always cheer for the bull. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:01 am |
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| I make no apologies for my place on the food chain, but I always root for the bull as well. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:02 am |
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bartist wrote:
....and yeah, the bull in the ring does have more chance to fight back and perhaps even up the supply of donor organs in Latin America.
- Ed Tom Bell |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:58 pm |
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The outcome is already certain because "steer" means "castrated bull."
Saw Solitary Man -- better than Elegy, or that tango movie with Bob Duvall, but still straining the cables of my suspension of disbelief. Some fine perfs, and gave me a pretty good sense of Douglas' bench decision in the final shot. Sometimes a foolish old guy does need the absolute living shit beat out of him (in several ways) to regain a toehold on sanity. Interesting study of a vain and egotistical man falling apart -- most of us in middle-age, we see a lovely young thing, and automatically (and correctly) figure we're not even remotely in that game, remind ourselves that her father is somewhere around our age, heave a sigh, and move along. |
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| Befade |
| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:37 pm |
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| I guess I'm lucky because I never found women significantly younger than I, of any interest. I am always irked by the belief that almost all older men want young girl/women. I've never taken a poll but in my experience most don't. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:29 pm |
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| Bets, i always like your descriptions. Succinct and clear. |
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| bartist |
| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:32 pm |
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marantzo wrote: I guess I'm lucky because I never found women significantly younger than I, of any interest. I am always irked by the belief that almost all older men want young girl/women. I've never taken a poll but in my experience most don't.
Gary, check under the desk right now. I have reason to believe your pants are on fire.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:52 pm |
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| Sorry Bart...........we need someone to praise the delectablity of the older woman. And don't forget some of us are drawn to younger men.........but sensibly, not as young as our sons. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:55 am |
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bartist wrote: marantzo wrote: I guess I'm lucky because I never found women significantly younger than I, of any interest. I am always irked by the belief that almost all older men want young girl/women. I've never taken a poll but in my experience most don't.
Gary, check under the desk right now. I have reason to believe your pants are on fire.
I have no idea what this means. |
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| Kate |
| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:37 pm |
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| Liar, liar....... pretty funny Bart. |
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| bartist |
| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:32 pm |
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marantzo wrote: bartist wrote: marantzo wrote: I guess I'm lucky because I never found women significantly younger than I, of any interest. I am always irked by the belief that almost all older men want young girl/women. I've never taken a poll but in my experience most don't.
Gary, check under the desk right now. I have reason to believe your pants are on fire.
I have no idea what this means.
Yeah, as Kate said, the children's taunt, "liar liar...." A dumb joke....in fact, I knew what you meant and feel much the same way. A lot of younger women, they seem sort of unformed and clueless (though not as much as younger guys) and I don't find that at all sexy. Sure, they look great, to a degree that it's more like observing some other species, like some beautiful antelope with moves and musculature that is impossibly springy. Homo sapiens juvensis. Fascinating to watch on a wildlife safari, from the safety of your vehicle. |
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