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gromit
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:19 pm Reply with quote
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It seems the salt flats are up in the far northeast, near to Venezuela. La Guajira, near Riohacha, just before that far NE peninsula juts out. Though there might be other salt flats as well.
More precisely, Manaure Viejo, La Guajira, Colombia.
Put that into google maps and you'll see where.
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All together, Manaure produces about 65 percent of Colombia's salt for national consumption, which is used in food, industry and cattle-ranching.


And fulfilling my expectations of rural South America, seems there is a dispute between the gov't and indigenous people eking out a living:

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Where South America juts like a finger into the Caribbean ocean, sheets of salt roll out into the sea, made bright white under a scorching sun.

In the coastal town of Manaure, home to Colombia’s largest salt deposits, salt miners of the Wayuu indigenous group shuffle their flip-flops over a slush of salt, sand and seawater that sears the soles of their feet. They shovel the salt into 100-pound sacks that they sell to the company down the road.

Despite the paltry earnings and grueling work, artisanal mining is vital to Manaure’s Wayuu people. They see the mines as key to determining their own economic and social development.

But the piles of salt have become the subject of a decades-long struggle between the Wayuu, whose territory is home to the salt reserve, and the government, which has resisted one court order after another to cede control.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/colombia/100127/salt-deposits-wayuu


Quick googling also informs me that the world's largest salt flats are apparently in Bolivia, and
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There is a hotel in the middle of the salt flats. The accommodation is basic and there is no electricity, but the entire building is made out of salt! Of course this also means your bed too, which is then covered in loads of blankets.


Damn, the only south of the border I've been is Tijuana (twice). I really would like to get to Central and South America. Pretty far from China though.

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Earl
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:05 pm Reply with quote
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The Kids Are All Right

For a movie which I thought (going in) was a heart-warming family dramedy, this movie has a lot of raw sex scenes in it. And for a movie that has been touted by some as being "gay friendly," this movie has a lot of raw straight sex scenes in it. None of that bothered me. I'm just saying.

One thing that did bother me was the disturbing "the only reason she's a lesbian is because she's never had a real man give her a good one" stereotype on display here. They try to 'splain it away with a brief "human sexuality is complicated" throwaway line near the end, but I wasn't buying it.

The performances were fine all around. I was also impressed that the two kids came across as decent, likable characters while being surrounded by unlikeable parent figures. I suppose that's what the title means.

Overall, I'd say good but not great.

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billyweeds
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:49 pm Reply with quote
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Earl--I'd say good but not great, too, but I would disagree that 1) the adults are unlikeable (I'd call them "imperfect"); and 2) that raw straight sex scenes make something gay-unfriendly. I also disagree that the movie is suggesting Moore would be straight if she just had a man like Ruffalo. I think it's saying precisely what it says it's saying, that sexuality is complicated and that some people are bisexual.
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billyweeds
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:53 pm Reply with quote
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The Other Guys is an infuriatingly mixed bag. The first half is fall-down funny and the second half is incredibly bad and boring. Seldom have I seen a movie fall apart so completely. It starts out as a rather absurd, very well written, directed, and acted over-the-top buddy comedy with top-notch performances by Will Ferrell and Mark Wahlberg as the buddies. It devolves into an almost incomprehensible action comedy which seems endless. See the first hour and walk out and you may have a good time.
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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:19 am Reply with quote
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Darn. I was looking forward to it.

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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:01 am Reply with quote
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Joe Vitus wrote:
Darn. I was looking forward to it.


You should go, and either walk out before the fall or be prepared. You will laugh early and often.
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lshap
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:32 am Reply with quote
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I consider it rude that so many of you keep discussing films when I haven't seen anything in weeks.
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marantzo
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:56 am Reply with quote
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I would go see it, Billy, but I'm not paying full price for half a movie. Wink
bartist
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lshap wrote:
I consider it rude that so many of you keep discussing films when I haven't seen anything in weeks.


Have you gotten around to Inception, yet, you film slacker? You sounded kind of stoked, IIRC.

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Looks like my hopes for Scott Pilgrim vs. the World won't be dashed. I hadn't realized it's the same director who did Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz.

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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:20 pm Reply with quote
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lshap wrote:
I consider it rude that so many of you keep discussing films when I haven't seen anything in weeks.


I think it's rude that the studios keep releasing movies at a time when I'm too broke to see any.

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lshap
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:18 pm Reply with quote
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Bart - Haven't even seen Inception yet! I feel like I've failed my fellow sci-fi geeks. Please set phasers to "Forgive".
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bartist
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:37 pm Reply with quote
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Oops, I set it to "I'm stunned" and now can't think of anything to say.


Also a result of seeing the dreadful "After. Life," a horror film in which an Eastern European director goes after the careers of Cristina Ricci and Liam Neeson with a hatchet. When I recover, I'll go mock it over in Couch thread.

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Earl
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:34 pm Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
Earl--I'd say good but not great, too, but I would disagree that 1) the adults are unlikeable (I'd call them "imperfect"); and 2) that raw straight sex scenes make something gay-unfriendly. I also disagree that the movie is suggesting Moore would be straight if she just had a man like Ruffalo. I think it's saying precisely what it says it's saying, that sexuality is complicated and that some people are bisexual.


I agree with you that "imperfect" would have been a better word choice than "unlikeable."

I don't think I said the straight sex scenes made the movie "gay-unfriendly." I was merely registering my surprise that they were included.

As to your last point, I believe the screenplay writers would like us to think that's what the movie is saying, and, indeed, it was probably their intent, but I don't think they did a good enough job getting that point across. Getting into SPOILER territory here so...

SPOILERS the rest of the way...

The movie makes a point of showing us how turned on Julianne Moore is by the size of Mark Ruffalo's penis. It also shows her in more than one scene thoroughly enjoying the sex she's having with him and the varied positions in which she's having it. Their sex, as it was depicted, was definitely a physical thing for both of them. They fuck eachother's brains out.

So I was hoping the script would devote at least as much time and energy to the "why" of what Moore's character did as to the "what." Instead, it was reduced to a throwaway line ("Human sexuality is complicated.") delivered while she's making a seriously messy apology to her partner of 20 years and the two teenage children they've raised together.

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billyweeds
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:25 am Reply with quote
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Earl--Good answer. You have a seriously valid point, but I don't think the filmmakers should be overly criticized for that. I do think the movie was only good, however, like I said--not as great as they said it was.
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