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| billyweeds |
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:10 am |
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| My shock at Paul Krugman having a sense of humor comes from watching his occasional appearances with Keith Olbermann on Countdown. Where most commentators banter sometimes amusingly with Olbermann, Krugman never cracks a smile, and Olbermann never calls him "Paul," always "Mr. Krugman." So my perception has been that Krugman is something of a diva and a sobersides. Therefore when he allowed himself to have fun in an out-and-out comedy about rock 'n' roll--well, it didn't immediately compute. |
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| gromit |
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:15 am |
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How do you feel about alreet?
Have to say that I try to avoid the many films which follow a pretty well-worn formula but have substituted in gay characters or, another recent trend, female leads being violent with guns, etc.
A semi-epidemic these days.
Btw, I ran into a discussion, mainly by gay film aficionados, lavishing praise on A Single Man.
I think mostly they like the fact that a gay character is presented as normal and low-key, but they also really liked the set decoration and aesthetics of the film.
Almost made me want to watch it again, but I was pretty firmly in yawnsville during my initial viewing, so it's hard to imagine voluntarily reliving that experience. |
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| billyweeds |
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:24 am |
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gromit wrote: I ran into a discussion, mainly by gay film aficionados, lavishing praise on A Single Man.
I think mostly they like the fact that a gay character is presented as normal and low-key, but they also really liked the set decoration and aesthetics of the film.
Almost made me want to watch it again, but I was pretty firmly in yawnsville during my initial viewing, so it's hard to imagine voluntarily reliving that experience.
This resonates with me. The gay sensibility in the film was overpowering and sometimes rather annoying. Everything about the clothing and the sets looked "fabuloso," but we were supposed to take it very seriously. |
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| billyweeds |
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:25 am |
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Joe Vitus wrote: It really isn't about gay or straight. I'm just not interested in a heartwarming family movie. What else has the movie got?
It doesn't sound traditionally "heartwarming." It sounds positive rather than negative, but that doesn't automatically translate into "sentimentally manipulative," which is how I define "heartwarming." |
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| Marj |
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:45 pm |
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| I didn't have the same reaction to A Single Man that Billy, Gromit and maybe others have had. As much as I appreciated the aesthetics of the film, what moved me was his isolation; his need to connect. Perhaps the fact I saw it on a small screen helped, but I liked the film a lot. In fact, the more I think about it, I don't think I would have the same response in a theater. |
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| carrobin |
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:53 pm |
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| I saw "A Single Man" in a theater, and also felt the tragic isolation of the character. Though maybe the stylishness of the sets and wardrobe did have more of an effect than they would have on a small screen. The film came close to breaking my heart a couple of times, and never bored me for a moment. |
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| billyweeds |
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:38 pm |
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| My previous comment was a little over the top. The movie did not grab me, but the beauty of the sets and costumes were not as much at odds with the feeling as I may have suggested. |
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| carrobin |
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:29 pm |
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Paul Krugman comment, on his NYT blog yesterday:
July 10, 2010, 4:57 pm
Get Him To The Greek
Finally saw it — and it was a bleeping bleep bleep. But surprisingly sweet-natured. And that awful video at the beginning was brilliant.
Still, I had to wait about an hour before going back to work; textbook writing requires the use of words with both more and less than four letters. |
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| Marc |
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:47 pm |
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Quote: Can't believe you mean this seriously. You're parodying Gary, right?
Actually, I was having fun with your comment to Joe of a few days back in "couch" Quote: And you gay and all, I'm ashamed of you. |
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| Joe Vitus |
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:45 pm |
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billyweeds wrote: gromit wrote: I ran into a discussion, mainly by gay film aficionados, lavishing praise on A Single Man.
I think mostly they like the fact that a gay character is presented as normal and low-key, but they also really liked the set decoration and aesthetics of the film.
Almost made me want to watch it again, but I was pretty firmly in yawnsville during my initial viewing, so it's hard to imagine voluntarily reliving that experience.
This resonates with me. The gay sensibility in the film was overpowering and sometimes rather annoying. Everything about the clothing and the sets looked "fabuloso," but we were supposed to take it very seriously.
Well, that was always the calling card for the book, too: "He's a normal man." Having said that, and admitting I've never been able to even finish the book, I will say nearly every gay man I know is intensely moved by both the movie and the book. I guess the key is the death of a loved one in a society that doesn't rate it as the loss of "spouse" (which is what they were, decades before the possibility of a legal union was likely). |
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| Joe Vitus |
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:46 pm |
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billyweeds wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: It really isn't about gay or straight. I'm just not interested in a heartwarming family movie. What else has the movie got?
It doesn't sound traditionally "heartwarming." It sounds positive rather than negative, but that doesn't automatically translate into "sentimentally manipulative," which is how I define "heartwarming."
Fair enough. Would you equate it with The Straight Story in that sense? |
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:50 pm |
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| I think that Joe responded to the movie somewhat differently than Carol and I say's a lot for its success. And by success, I do not mean box office. Rather that it can and has touched people in different ways and by varying degrees. |
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| Joe Vitus |
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:05 pm |
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| Thanks, but you misread me. I haven't seen the movie and couldn't finish the book. I'm trying to describe what I sense when I talk to gays who loved it (and so far every one of them has). I think the are responding to both the pain of a very uptight man (uptight because of the times and his on personality) mixed with the loss of a partner in a time where even if he could burst out in rage or pain would have elicited laughter or revulsion rather that empathy and support. |
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| billyweeds |
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:13 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: Thanks, but you misread me. I haven't seen the movie and couldn't finish the book. I'm trying to describe what I sense when I talk to gays who loved it (and so far every one of them has). I think the are responding to both the pain of a very uptight man (uptight because of the times and his on personality) mixed with the loss of a partner in a time where even if he could burst out in rage or pain would have elicited laughter or revulsion rather that empathy and support.
I think I understand the real meaning of the title for the first time thanks to Joe. |
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| carrobin |
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:44 pm |
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| I read the book years ago, when I was reading a bunch of Isherwoods, but don't remember what effect it had on me at all. But the movie swept me away. I think part of my empathy with the Firth character was his feelings for the dogs as well as his partner--a lot of people wouldn't understand that he felt grief at their loss, too. |
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