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| Joe Vitus |
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| The great thing about Netflix: now I can actually see it. |
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| Befade |
| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:48 pm |
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The White Ribbon is a thinking man's (or woman's) film. It's long (almost 2 & 1/2 hrs.) and it's in black and white. I had to gear up for it and spent the first 20 minutes being pissed that a woman in front of me was making really loud noise with her popcorn bag.
There's difficulty in figuring out whose children are whose and sometimes the director shifts scenes and characters and you aren't sure who is who. It's a slow look at a German village before the outbreak of World War I with a baron, a minister, a doctor, a midwife, a farmer, a schoolteacher, and a nanny. Strange things are happening the narrator tells us. (This is the schoolteacher reflecting on the past.) Strange and cruel things. Who is doing these cruel things? Why? Are there any good people here?
SPOILERS: It's all about the children. There are alot of them and they look sweet. Unfortunately, they aren't and they are fated to grow up to become Hitler's minions.......
This movie was not entertainment.
Whiskey.......they told me it would be there another week because the response has been good. |
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| ehle64 |
| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:38 pm |
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| Even though it's Haneke. . . . I still want to see The White Ribbon. |
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| Befade |
| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:19 pm |
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| carrobin |
| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:44 pm |
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Ebert's review immediately reminded me of Kristof's column in today's Times--I couldn't copy the www address, so I copied some excerpts below. It's worth looking up the Times site for the whole thing.
Our Politics May Be All in Our Head
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
We all know that liberals and conservatives are far apart on health care. But in the way their brains work? Even in automatic reflexes, like blinking? Or the way their glands secrete moisture?
That’s the suggestion of some recent research. It hints that the roots of political judgments may lie partly in fundamental personality types and even in the hard-wiring of our brains.
Researchers have found, for example, that some humans are particularly alert to threats, particularly primed to feel vulnerable and perceive danger. Those people are more likely to be conservatives.
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That makes intuitive sense: If you are more acutely sensitive to risks and more fearful of attack, you also may be more aggressive in arming yourself and more wary of foreigners.
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This research is tentative and needs to be confirmed, but it fits into a fascinating framework of the role of personality types in politics, explored in a recent book, “Authoritarianism and Polarization in American Politics,” by two political scientists, Marc J. Hetherington of Vanderbilt University and Jonathan D. Weiler of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. They start by exploring data showing a remarkably strong correlation between state attitudes toward spanking children and voting patterns. Essentially, spanking states go Republican, while those with more timeouts go Democratic.
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We shouldn’t take this too far. It’s not as if people in rural America, who overwhelmingly favor gun rights, invariably have a greater startle reflex than city dwellers. And the electorate undergoes big political shifts over time, even if human reflexes don’t. Professor Hetherington says that electoral shifts sometimes reflect shocks, like 9/11, that leave middle-of-the-roaders feeling vulnerable and more authoritarian in their worldview.
Professors Hetherington and Smith ,,, note that physiological differences are probably found among the extremes on each side, while political battles are fought in the middle. Indeed, these studies may be useful in determining what arguments to deploy against the other side. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:57 pm |
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Carol........I just read that today and agree. It makes me want to see the movie again. I think it's a point worth discussing and thinking about. Glad you read the Ebert review. A.O. Scott's review was more negative and limited. After all we all could have turned into Nazis if.................
If you're a control freak or an alarmist you are a?
If you're a sloppy, easy going peacenik you are a?
I don't think it's that easy.........but...... |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:24 pm |
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| It's hard to argue with the idea that someone who is tolerant of different ideas and accepting of new concepts is more likely to be a Democrat--after all, isn't that what "liberal" means? But it's true that I know at least one Democrat and at least one Republican who don't fit the descriptions--or at least, not to a great extent. |
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| Marj |
| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:21 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: The great thing about Netflix: now I can actually see it.
Joe! You have Netflix now? Great. There is no wait for The Last of Sheila so rent it toot suite!
To comment on Billy's response, I think once you've seen a movie like this, the second viewing may indeed be the hardest. And that's perhaps because I didn't think I remembered any of the puzzle or its clues. When I realized it was all coming back to me I grew angry at myself. But the film certainly holds up.
There is just something about that first time though ... |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:49 pm |
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Marj wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: The great thing about Netflix: now I can actually see it.
Joe! You have Netflix now? Great. There is no wait for The Last of Sheila so rent it toot suite!
To comment on Billy's response, I think once you've seen a movie like this, the second viewing may indeed be the hardest. And that's perhaps because I didn't think I remembered any of the puzzle or its clues. When I realized it was all coming back to me I grew angry at myself. But the film certainly holds up.
There is just something about that first time though ...
It's an instant play for me so I don't have to rent it. I don't remember the puzzle but I remember enjoying the movie. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:16 pm |
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Marj wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: The great thing about Netflix: now I can actually see it.
Joe! You have Netflix now? Great. There is no wait for The Last of Sheila so rent it toot suite!
To comment on Billy's response, I think once you've seen a movie like this, the second viewing may indeed be the hardest. And that's perhaps because I didn't think I remembered any of the puzzle or its clues. When I realized it was all coming back to me I grew angry at myself. But the film certainly holds up.
There is just something about that first time though ...
Well, I'm kinda slow on figuring out whodunits. Even after they've explained it all at the then end! |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:19 pm |
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| Added it to my queue. They have it available to watch online, but for some reason, they don't have the online stuff letterboxed. I seem to remember Billy saying there were clues you missed if you see it pan-n-scam, so I'll just have to wait for it to come through the mails... |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:47 pm |
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Quote: It's hard to argue with the idea that someone who is tolerant of different ideas and accepting of new concepts is more likely to be a Democrat--after all, isn't that what "liberal" means?
Sounds right.........I like the word progressive more than the word liberal. Receptive to change, viewing change as positive versus clinging to the past, not wanting to rock the boat.
or is it the need to be right?
I'm intellectually tolerant but visually critical and picky. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:53 am |
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Joe Vitus wrote: Added it to my queue. They have it available to watch online, but for some reason, they don't have the online stuff letterboxed. I seem to remember Billy saying there were clues you missed if you see it pan-n-scam, so I'll just have to wait for it to come through the mails...
Joe--The Last of Sheila is definitely letterboxed on my online viewing stream or whatever they call it. As are most movies. Perhaps you should check again. In any case, the way they're showing it is just fine. View and enjoy! |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:06 am |
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| Odd, every Netflix movie I've watched online has been pan-n-scam, though the credits of a few have been letterboxed. Hm... |
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Quote: It's hard to argue with the idea that someone who is tolerant of different ideas and accepting of new concepts is more likely to be a Democrat--after all, isn't that what "liberal" means?
Liberal, in a nutshell, is "Live and let live." Tolerant is the key word. You don't have to accept new concepts or ideas if you don't agree with them just because you are a liberal. You just tolerate them, unless they are being enforced upon others.
John Stuart Mill is an excellent source of what liberalism is. I, like Pierre Elliot Trudeau was, am a John Stuart Mill liberal. |
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