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Syd
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They may have been considering Laurent as a lead and shut her out.

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Cousin Betsy is way down with The Young Victoria; calls Blunt Emily transcendent, Friend Rupert splendid:

L.A. Times: Movie Review: 'The Young Victoria' retains a modern-day freshness

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From the Houston Chronicle's review of Avatar:

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The most-hyped movie of the year just about merits it. Avatar isn't a perfect film — and a few clichés short of a great one — but at its best, it'll fry your brain.


I guess I could be down for some brain fryin'.

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Sometimes it's fun to see a bunch of current films in a couple of days and compare them. I just saw four.

Two were about people whose job it was to deliver bad news. Two were about people who were about to hear bad news. Two were about men living out of suitcases. All of them were not what they seemed at first glance.

Earl.......I had the same reaction to Everybody's Fine......saved it for the end because I thought it would be light and upbeat. Robert DiNiro and George Clooney (Up in the Air) have the suitcases and the Cary Grant head of hair. One is very slick and proud of his ability to navigate through airports. The other has to go Greyhound or Amtrak because of his health. DiNiro is not a savy suitcase swirler......his is a beaten brown. Clooney's a cool black.

Four people are delivering bad news. Two are old hands at it. Sure they know the best way to do it. Two are new and unsteady about their roles. Two favor the distant hands-off approach. Two favor a more humane approach. Two find love along the way. Ben Foster is one of these in The Messenger.

I was not disappointed to see Precious a second time.

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Marc
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AVATAR is the ultimate hippie trip - lots of day-glo, Maxfield Parrish sunsets, Roger Dean celestial treescapes mixed in with shamanism, anti-imperialist political message and some very groovy costume design. Movie mescaline. Go see it. It's not a great movie, but it is an amazing movie that lives up to hype. The 3D is is non-stop eye candy. And the action sequences are thrilling.
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Marc--So glad to read that. You have no idea how I feared you'd trash it and make me dread the experience. Now I'm really pumped up about seeing it on Monday.
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:19 pm Reply with quote
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Befade wrote:
Sometimes it's fun to see a bunch of current films in a couple of days and compare them. I just saw four.

Two were about people whose job it was to deliver bad news. Two were about people who were about to hear bad news. Two were about men living out of suitcases. All of them were not what they seemed at first glance.

Earl.......I had the same reaction to Everybody's Fine......saved it for the end because I thought it would be light and upbeat. Robert DiNiro and George Clooney (Up in the Air) have the suitcases and the Cary Grant head of hair. One is very slick and proud of his ability to navigate through airports. The other has to go Greyhound or Amtrak because of his health. DiNiro is not a savy suitcase swirler......his is a beaten brown. Clooney's a cool black.

Four people are delivering bad news. Two are old hands at it. Sure they know the best way to do it. Two are new and unsteady about their roles. Two favor the distant hands-off approach. Two favor a more humane approach. Two find love along the way. Ben Foster is one of these in The Messenger.

I was not disappointed to see Precious a second time.
Where did you see Up in the Air at?

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Marc
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AVATAR is a western on acid. Trippy visuals, thrilling action scenes and deeply immersive 3D, result in a wildly entertaining experience. Yeah, the dialogue and story are cliche-ridden, but everything else about AVATAR is spectacular. As visually ravishing as anything you've even seen, this a movie that will change movies.
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Befade
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Whiskey.......I saw Up in the Air at the Harkins Scottsdale 101/Cine Capri. It's a nice location.......near a Borders, Whole Foods.

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Befade wrote:
Whiskey.......I saw Up in the Air at the Harkins Scottsdale 101/Cine Capri. It's a nice location.......near a Borders, Whole Foods.
Why is everything I want to see being shown exclusively on the East Side? Don't they know I live in the West Valley? Cheese and crackers, it's annoying!

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Syd
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Marc wrote:
AVATAR is the ultimate hippie trip - lots of day-glo, Maxfield Parrish sunsets, Roger Dean celestial treescapes mixed in with shamanism, anti-imperialist political message and some very groovy costume design. Movie mescaline. Go see it. It's not a great movie, but it is an amazing movie that lives up to hype. The 3D is is non-stop eye candy. And the action sequences are thrilling.


I was surprised that True-3D actually works for me, because I have a lazy eye that limits my depth perception. The colored lenses don't, and are inconvenient with my glasses. The 3-D works best for me in providing depth of field, but it was a bit blurry sometimes when the camera panned. Throwing stuff at me is mostly distracting, but I liked it when they had the dandelion thingies floating around. One of the best effects was looking at Sigourney Weaver's character through a glass window, but what one of the things that really impressed me was the athleticism of the natives.

As for the story, I was distracted by the details of the experience, so I may have to see it again. The native civilization was interesting; I was reminded of Dances with Wolves. The end battle was well-done, although I kept wondering what the aliens would have done if the earthlings had used bulletproof glass.

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Marc
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:12 pm Reply with quote
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David Denby on AVATAR. I'm in total synch with his review.

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James Cameron’s “Avatar” is the most beautiful film I’ve seen in years. Amid the hoopla over the new power of 3-D as a narrative form, and the excitement about the complicated mix of digital animation and live action that made the movie possible, no one should ignore how lovely “Avatar” looks, how luscious yet freewheeling, bounteous yet strange. As Cameron surges through the picture plane, brushing past tree branches, coursing alongside foaming-mouthed creatures, we may be overcome by an uncanny sense of emerging, becoming, transcending—a sustained mood of elation produced by vaulting into space. Working with a crew of thousands, Cameron has reimagined nature: the movie is set on Pandora, a distant moon with thick forests, alpine chasms, and such fantastic oddities as wooded mountains hanging in the sky. The geographical center of the movie is a giant willow tree where a tribal clan, the Na’vi, worships the connections among all living things—a dubious-sounding mystical concept that the movie manages to make exciting. In “Titanic,” Cameron turned people blue as they died in icy waters, but this time blue is the color of vibrant health: the Na’vi are a translucent pale blue, with powerful, long-waisted bodies, flat noses, and wide-set eyes. In their easy command of nature, they are meant to evoke aboriginal people everywhere. They have spiritual powers and, despite their elementary weapons—bows and arrows—real powers, too. From each one’s head emerges a long braid ending in tendrils that are alive with nerves. When the Na’vi plug their braids into similar neural cords that hang from the heads of crested, horselike animals and giant birds, they achieve zahelu, which is not, apparently, as pleasurable as sex, but somewhat more useful—the Na’vi’s thoughts govern the animals’ behavior. Cameron believes in hooking up: this world is as much a vertical experience as a horizontal one, and the many parts of it cohere and flow together. The movie is a blissful fantasy of a completely organic life.

The Na’vi’s turf is also rich with an energy-yielding mineral called Unobtainium (which is as close as Cameron comes to a joke in this movie). Eager to harvest the mineral, corporate predators, joined by heavily armed military contractors, have established a base on Pandora. They’ve been feeding people’s DNA into long, pale-blue versions of their bodies—avatars—and setting them loose among the Na’vi, where they learn their lingo and try to argue them off the land. A high-powered biologist (Sigourney Weaver), who loves the Na’vi, has been to the woods and back many times. She is followed by Jake (Sam Worthington), an ex-marine. He has withered legs, but, reconditioned as an avatar, he can spring and jump anywhere; he’s fearless, and as wild as a monkey. His job, if he can’t persuade the Na’vi to leave, is to find out enough about them so that contractors can come in and kill them. The next stage of the fable isn’t exactly a surprise: living among the Na’vi, Jake falls in love with a warrior princess, Neytiri (Zoë Saldana), who looks like a painted amazon on a Milan runway. She teaches him the native ways, and protects him from the other Na’vi, who discover that he’s a spy. It’s the old story of Pocahontas and John Smith, mixed, perhaps, with the remnants of Westerns (like “Dances with Wolves”) in which a white man spends some time with the Comanche or the Sioux and then, won over, tries to defend the tribe against the advancing civilization that will annihilate it.


Science is good, but technology is bad. Community is great, but corporations are evil. “Avatar” gives off more than a whiff of nineteen-sixties counterculture, by way of environmentalism and current antiwar sentiment. “What have we got to offer them—lite beer and bluejeans?” Jake asks. Well, actually, life among the Na’vi, for all its physical glories, looks a little dull. True, there’s no reality TV or fast food, but there’s no tennis or Raymond Chandler or Ella Fitzgerald, either. But let’s not dwell on the sentimentality of Cameron’s notion of aboriginal life—the movie is striking enough to make it irrelevant. Nor is there much point in lingering over the irony that this anti-technology message is delivered by an example of advanced technology that cost nearly two hundred and fifty million dollars to produce; or that this anti-imperialist spectacle will invade every available theatre in the world. Relish, instead, the pterodactyls, or the flying velociraptors, or whatever they are—large beaky beasts, green with yellow reptile patches—and the bright-red flying monster with jaws that could snap an oak. Jake, like a Western hero breaking a wild horse, has to tame one of these creatures in order to prove his manhood, and the scene has a barbaric splendor. The movie’s story may be a little trite, and the big battle at the end between ugly mechanical force and the gorgeous natural world goes on forever, but what a show Cameron puts on! The continuity of dynamized space that he has achieved with 3-D gloriously supports his trippy belief that all living things are one. Zahelu!
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Syd
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“What have we got to offer them—lite beer and bluejeans?”

Facebook. They even have built-in USB connectors.

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When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like "Avatar"?

Critics have called alien epic Avatar a version of Dances With Wolves because it's about a white guy going native and becoming a great leader. But Avatar is just the latest scifi rehash of an old white guilt fantasy. Spoilers...

Whether Avatar is racist is a matter for debate. Regardless of where you come down on that question, it's undeniable that the film - like alien apartheid flick District 9, released earlier this year - is emphatically a fantasy about race. Specifically, it's a fantasy about race told from the point of view of white people. Avatar and scifi films like it give us the opportunity to answer the question: What do white people fantasize about when they fantasize about racial identity?

Avatar imaginatively revisits the crime scene of white America's foundational act of genocide, in which entire native tribes and civilizations were wiped out by European immigrants to the American continent. In the film, a group of soldiers and scientists have set up shop on the verdant moon Pandora, whose landscapes look like a cross between Northern California's redwood cathedrals and Brazil's tropical rainforest. The moon's inhabitants, the Na'vi, are blue, catlike versions of native people: They wear feathers in their hair, worship nature gods, paint their faces for war, use bows and arrows, and live in tribes. Watching the movie, there is really no mistake that these are alien versions of stereotypical native peoples that we've seen in Hollywood movies for decades.

And Pandora is clearly supposed to be the rich, beautiful land America could still be if white people hadn't paved it over with concrete and strip malls. In Avatar, our white hero Jake Sully (sully - get it?) explains that Earth is basically a war-torn wasteland with no greenery or natural resources left. The humans started to colonize Pandora in order to mine a mineral called unobtainium that can serve as a mega-energy source. But a few of these humans don't want to crush the natives with tanks and bombs, so they wire their brains into the bodies of Na'vi avatars and try to win the natives' trust. Jake is one of the team of avatar pilots, and he discovers to his surprise that he loves his life as a Na'vi warrior far more than he ever did his life as a human marine.

Jake is so enchanted that he gives up on carrying out his mission, which is to persuade the Na'vi to relocate from their "home tree," where the humans want to mine the unobtanium. Instead, he focuses on becoming a great warrior who rides giant birds and falls in love with the chief's daughter. When the inevitable happens and the marines arrive to burn down the Na'vi's home tree, Jake switches sides. With the help of a few human renegades, he maintains a link with his avatar body in order to lead the Na'vi against the human invaders. Not only has he been assimilated into the native people's culture, but he has become their leader.

This is a classic scenario you've seen in non-scifi epics from Dances With Wolves to The Last Samurai, where a white guy manages to get himself accepted into a closed society of people of color and eventually becomes its most awesome member. But it's also, as I indicated earlier, very similar in some ways to District 9. In that film, our (anti)hero Wikus is trying to relocate a shantytown of aliens to a region far outside Johannesburg. When he's accidentally squirted with fluid from an alien technology, he begins turning into one of the aliens against his will. Deformed and cast out of human society, Wikus reluctantly helps one of the aliens to launch their stalled ship and seek help from their home planet.

If we think of Avatar and its ilk as white fantasies about race, what kinds of patterns do we see emerging in these fantasies?

In both Avatar and District 9, humans are the cause of alien oppression and distress. Then, a white man who was one of the oppressors switches sides at the last minute, assimilating into the alien culture and becoming its savior. This is also the basic story of Dune, where a member of the white royalty flees his posh palace on the planet Dune to become leader of the worm-riding native Fremen (the worm-riding rite of passage has an analog in Avatar, where Jake proves his manhood by riding a giant bird). An interesting tweak on this story can be seen in 1980s flick Enemy Mine, where a white man (Dennis Quaid) and the alien he's been battling (Louis Gossett Jr.) are stranded on a hostile planet together for years. Eventually they become best friends, and when the alien dies, the human raises the alien's child as his own. When humans arrive on the planet and try to enslave the alien child, he lays down his life to rescue it. His loyalties to an alien have become stronger than to his own species.

These are movies about white guilt. Our main white characters realize that they are complicit in a system which is destroying aliens, AKA people of color - their cultures, their habitats, and their populations. The whites realize this when they begin to assimilate into the "alien" cultures and see things from a new perspective. To purge their overwhelming sense of guilt, they switch sides, become "race traitors," and fight against their old comrades. But then they go beyond assimilation and become leaders of the people they once oppressed. This is the essence of the white guilt fantasy, laid bare. It's not just a wish to be absolved of the crimes whites have committed against people of color; it's not just a wish to join the side of moral justice in battle. It's a wish to lead people of color from the inside rather than from the (oppressive, white) outside.

Think of it this way. Avatar is a fantasy about ceasing to be white, giving up the old human meatsack to join the blue people, but never losing white privilege. Jake never really knows what it's like to be a Na'vi because he always has the option to switch back into human mode. Interestingly, Wikus in District 9 learns a very different lesson. He's becoming alien and he can't go back. He has no other choice but to live in the slums and eat catfood. And guess what? He really hates it. He helps his alien buddy to escape Earth solely because he's hoping the guy will come back in a few years with a "cure" for his alienness. When whites fantasize about becoming other races, it's only fun if they can blithely ignore the fundamental experience of being an oppressed racial group. Which is that you are oppressed, and nobody will let you be a leader of anything.

This is not a message anybody wants to hear, least of all the white people who are creating and consuming these fantasies. Afro-Canadian scifi writer Nalo Hopkinson recently told the Boston Globe:

In the US, to talk about race is to be seen as racist. You become the problem because you bring up the problem. So you find people who are hesitant to talk about it.

She adds that the main mythic story you find in science fiction, generally written by whites, "is going to a foreign culture and colonizing it."

Sure, Avatar goes a little bit beyond the basic colonizing story. We are told in no uncertain terms that it's wrong to colonize the lands of native people. Our hero chooses to join the Na'vi rather than abide the racist culture of his own people. But it is nevertheless a story that revisits the same old tropes of colonization. Whites still get to be leaders of the natives - just in a kinder, gentler way than they would have in an old Flash Gordon flick or in Edgar Rice Burroughs' Mars novels.

When will whites stop making these movies and start thinking about race in a new way?

First, we'll need to stop thinking that white people are the most "relatable" characters in stories. As one blogger put it:

By the end of the film you're left wondering why the film needed the Jake Sully character at all. The film could have done just as well by focusing on an actual Na'vi native who comes into contact with crazy humans who have no respect for the environment. I can just see the explanation: "Well, we need someone (an avatar) for the audience to connect with. A normal guy will work better than these tall blue people." However, this is the type of thinking that molds all leads as white male characters (blank slates for the audience to project themselves upon) unless your name is Will Smith.

But more than that, whites need to rethink their fantasies about race.

Whites need to stop remaking the white guilt story, which is a sneaky way of turning every story about people of color into a story about being white. Speaking as a white person, I don't need to hear more about my own racial experience. I'd like to watch some movies about people of color (ahem, aliens), from the perspective of that group, without injecting a random white (erm, human) character to explain everything to me. Science fiction is exciting because it promises to show the world and the universe from perspectives radically unlike what we've seen before. But until white people stop making movies like Avatar, I fear that I'm doomed to see the same old story again and again.

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I only read snippets of the piece you posted McBain, because of the spoilers. From her comments, at first, I wasn't sure if she were being serious or satirical. She was serious. The phrase "Get a life!" comes to mind. I'm upset that it's always anglo-saxon men who teach the natives how to live. Why don't they ever use guys like Chiam and Moishe straightening out the ways of the savages? Laughing

Wish I could have read the whole article, but I have to see the movie first. It opened here yesterday. Maybe there are things in the movie that do seem racist.

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