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marantzo |
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:13 pm |
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Samson and Delilah was a huge favourite of mine when I was a kid. I saw it many times. I saw it again recently, though not from the beginning. The destruction of the temple is still impressive. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:14 pm |
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marantzo wrote: Even Kubrick's Spartacus was far from stellar. I saw it a few years ago after not having seen it is a long long time. I was surprised how sappy/corny it was.
I'll have to see it again. As of now I vehemently disagree with you. It's far and away the best "epic" I've ever seen, and the musical score by Alex North is one of my top five. Also the opening credits. Also Jean Simmons. I love Spartacus. And I own it. So I will watch it, and hope not to change my mind. |
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lady wakasa |
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:35 pm |
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inlareviewer wrote: The lions are not what they seem (David Lynch version).
I'd actually pay to see that version. And end up liking it.
whiskeypriest wrote: Perhaps the lion has the same significance in Ben Hur that the gorilla has in No Country for Old Men.
Now that you point it out, I think you're on to something... |
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marantzo |
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:46 pm |
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The score was good and I like Simmons in anything. Woody Strode is also a favourite of mine, I even remember him playing football up here. From the first half of the movie, the only scene that had me rolling my eyes was when Douglas and his girlfriend (wife?) were below in some kind of cage and a Roman (I forget who) was above and wanted to see them make love. But the second half had a number of scenes that threatened to give me diabetes. The story telling in the camp and the adulation by his followers as he walked among them like the depictions of Christ in those syrupy biblical movies. Cap off with that ending with Curtis and Douglas, worthy of all those impressionists who used it.
I saw it when it opened, at the Capitol on Broadway. That was nice. I hope I've got the name of the theatre right. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:07 pm |
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I just realized what those scenes with all that male camaraderie schlock reminded me of: Those Docker ads.  |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:13 pm |
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billyweeds wrote: marantzo wrote: Even Kubrick's Spartacus was far from stellar. I saw it a few years ago after not having seen it is a long long time. I was surprised how sappy/corny it was.
I'll have to see it again. As of now I vehemently disagree with you. It's far and away the best "epic" I've ever seen, and the musical score by Alex North is one of my top five. Also the opening credits. Also Jean Simmons. I love Spartacus. And I own it. So I will watch it, and hope not to change my mind.
Well, it can be far and away the best in the genre and still not very good objectively. I think the movie is given more credit than it deserves because of Kubrick, but I also think it is less hokey, more gritty, than something like Demetrius and the Gladiator.
Casting Kirk Douglas helps a lot. The big problem with stars like Heston or Victor Mature (who could both, to be fair, give very strong performances under the right conditions) is that no only did they look like Greek statues, they were often as immobile and emotionaless as them as well. Douglas is hyperkintic (his strength and weakness in equal measurs) but in the sort of solemn, sodden picture sword and sandal epics tended to be, it's a great injection of life. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:23 pm |
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Joe--Thank you for the props for KD, who is one of my three or four favorite male movie stars of the sound era.
Others are Jimmy Stewart, Van Heflin, Mark Ruffalo, and...I'll have to think. |
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:18 pm |
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In a totally different vein:
In the Mood for Love is a film of romantic sexual frustration set in Hong Kong in the mid-1960s. The Chans and Chows rent parts of apartment suites next to each other, moving in on the same day to memorable confusion. Mr. Chan and Mrs. Chow both are gone on business trips a lot, and come home late when they're not and Mr. Chow (Tony Leung) and Mrs. Chan (Maggie Cheung) gradually start putting the pieces together, noticing things like the two husbands have identical ties and the two wives identical handbags, all of them bought on business trips and not sold in Hong Kong. What a coincidence?
Mr. Chow and Mrs. Chan have already independently figured out what is going on, and finally air things out, but can't figure out how it happened, so they start pretending to be Mr. Chan and Mrs. Chow. Unfortunately, they start understanding too well, which is a bit of a problem because they both think they are above adultery (or at least think the other one is).
This all sounds like a farce, but it's generally (but not always) played straight, with lots of mood music, and I found it moved pretty slowly. It's interesting to try to figure out whether the couple is playing their cheating spouses, being real, or both. It was nice to see Mrs. Chan dolled up in tight-fitting dresses for work, but showing up in the same outfit for noodles because she couldn't bother changing. She obviously has a good clothing budget.
Really, for my taste, it moves too slowly and is too moody, and I rather wished the couple would take the playacting to the logical conclusion and have a torrid love affair, preferably starting about halfway through the movie.
There is a sequel, 2046, which stars Leung as Mr. Chow trying to pick himself up after this film, and it's even more moody but less focused and less pleasant, but I actually like it a bit better, and it has what I consider Ziyi Zhang's best performance (and Li Gong and Connie Cheung in supporting roles). |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:26 pm |
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billyweeds wrote: Joe--Thank you for the props for KD, who is one of my three or four favorite male movie stars of the sound era.
Others are Jimmy Stewart, Van Heflin, Mark Ruffalo, and...I'll have to think.
Bogart, Cagney, (Cary) Grant. But Jimmy and Kirk above all. |
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lady wakasa |
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:34 pm |
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Syd wrote: In a totally different vein:
In the Mood for Love is a film of romantic sexual frustration set in Hong Kong in the mid-1960s. The Chans and Chows rent parts of apartment suites next to each other, moving in on the same day to memorable confusion. Mr. Chan and Mrs. Chow both are gone on business trips a lot, and come home late when they're not and Mr. Chow (Tony Leung) and Mrs. Chan (Maggie Cheung) gradually start putting the pieces together, noticing things like the two husbands have identical ties and the two wives identical handbags, all of them bought on business trips and not sold in Hong Kong. What a coincidence?
Mr. Chow and Mrs. Chan have already independently figured out what is going on, and finally air things out, but can't figure out how it happened, so they start pretending to be Mr. Chan and Mrs. Chow. Unfortunately, they start understanding too well, which is a bit of a problem because they both think they are above adultery (or at least think the other one is).
This all sounds like a farce, but it's generally (but not always) played straight, with lots of mood music, and I found it moved pretty slowly. It's interesting to try to figure out whether the couple is playing their cheating spouses, being real, or both. It was nice to see Mrs. Chan dolled up in tight-fitting dresses for work, but showing up in the same outfit for noodles because she couldn't bother changing. She obviously has a good clothing budget.
Really, for my taste, it moves too slowly and is too moody, and I rather wished the couple would take the playacting to the logical conclusion and have a torrid love affair, preferably starting about halfway through the movie.
There is a sequel, 2046, which stars Leung as Mr. Chow trying to pick himself up after this film, and it's even more moody but less focused and less pleasant, but I actually like it a bit better, and it has what I consider Ziyi Zhang's best performance (and Li Gong and Connie Cheung in supporting roles).
I love the high level of stylization in In the Mood for Love - there's so much more going on than whether they're having a physical affair. I never got to see 2046, though.
I should go watch this again. |
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:34 pm |
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While writing that last review, I started remembering All or Nothing and its sad violin music, and concluding the first step in healing the dysfunctional family was to strangle the violinist. |
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Syd |
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:44 pm |
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lady wakasa wrote: I love the high level of stylization in In the Mood for Love - there's so much more going on than whether they're having a physical affair. I never got to see 2046, though.
I should go watch this again.
2046 is, if anything, more stylized. Chow is writing a science fiction novel called 2046 (which was his address in the first film, but is also the year Hong Kong becomes fully assimilated with China) of which we see several scenes, and some of the actors within it also play characters in the main story (and Maggie Cheung is one of them). |
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marantzo |
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:12 pm |
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Just finished watching The Illusionist with my wife. I had seen it in the theatre and really liked it. When I saw it in the video store I picked it out immediately and told Marta that she would like it. I was sure she would. Well it was just as good this time around and Marta really liked it.
Some movies are just good, period. And this is one of them. |
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:15 pm |
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Thanks, Gary - I'd meant to rent that but it got lost in whatever shuffle of films came out simultaneous. I'll make a point of picking it up. It intrigued me when it was in theaters but I didn't get to see it. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:21 pm |
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Lissa, I think it would be right up your alley. Seriously. |
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