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| billyweeds |
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| Just because someone can get dressed up and act with a modicum of civility in public doesn't mean he doesn't act out elsewhere. This is not true only of Tyson, but of millions, including yours truly. To meet me socially, you'd never dream of the (very) occasional rageaholic outbursts I can have. People encompass multitudes, and I never thought this was news. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:36 am |
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Quote: his self-control when Robin Givens is telling Barbara Walters how out of contol he is
He was heavily medicated at the time.
Jeeze, Marc, what's with the broadsides at Betsy?  |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:47 am |
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Gary,
my question of Betsy is perfectly legit. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:13 am |
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Marc wrote: Gary,
my question of Betsy is perfectly legit.
Agreed. I don't think Marc's comments were out of line in the least. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:37 am |
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If you didn't have the bleak night time taxi scenes in GOODBYE SOLO the movie would lose much of its effectiveness. The contrast between the cab drivers sunny disposition and the harshness of the world around him is what makes the character so special.
My approach to movie going may be different from Betsy's. I don't have a problem with downbeat content in a film if it is integral to what the director is trying to communicate. I know people who won't go to see dark films because they don't want to be brought down by a movie. But, for me, if a director takes depressing material and creates a really fine work of art than instead of being depressed by the film I am often exhilarated. Scorsese is an example of an artist who takes dark themes (Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, Goodfellas) and does something so extraordinary with them that my reaction is one of fulfillment. Yes, I might be shaken and emotionally drained, but, at the same time, I feel the pleasure of having a moving and satisfying experience.
After seeing GANGS OF NEW YORK, I was leaving the theater and turned to a guy about my age and said "man, that was a great movie". His response:
"I don't like movies in which people treat each other badly". I was dumbfounded by his idiotic comment. The movie was about gangs, it was directed by Martin Scorsese. What the fuck did this numbnut expect? Our Gang Of New York? I can see it now, Daniel Day Lewis as Alfalfa. Betsy would hate it because there's a pit bull in the movie, Pansy. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:14 pm |
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Then there's me. I think movies about gangs are just dandy and downbeat movies directed by Martin Scorses are often even dandier, but I thought Gangs of New York was a crashing, interminable, badly-acted (including Day-Lewis) bore. If Marc had turned to me and said, "What a great movie!" I would have said I disagreed, but not for any of the reasons Marc talks about.
Different strokes.
Oh, incidentally, I also hate Our Gang comedies.
The Wild One was dandy. Born Losers was dandy. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:20 pm |
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billy,
I enjoyed GANGS OF NEW YORK as Scorsese's homage to Sergio Leone.
I saw it in Taos and the scene at the end of the New York skyline evolving from it's beginnings to now with U2 on the soundtrack moved me to tears. GANGS OF NEW YORK, like CAPE FEAR, is not one of Scorsese's best, but I still dug it.
Didn't you like my Our Gang Of New York with Daniel Day Lewis as Alfalfa concept? |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:22 pm |
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| my favorite biker flick is still THE WILD ANGEL'S with Peter Fonda and Nancy fucking Sinatra. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:23 pm |
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Marc wrote: billy,
I enjoyed GANGS OF NEW YORK as Scorsese's homage to Sergio Leone.
I saw it in Taos and the scene at the end of the New York skyline evolving from it's beginnings to now with U2 on the soundtrack moved me to tears. GANGS OF NEW YORK, like CAPE FEAR, is not one of Scorsese's best, but I still dug it.
Didn't you like my Our Gang Of New York with Daniel Day Lewis as Alfalfa concept?
Love it. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:51 pm |
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I also liked Gangs of New York, I thought The Wild One was rather moronic. I didn't like it when I was 14 (and Brando was my hero) and on subsequent viewing I found it just as silly.
Wasn't Nicholson in The Wild Angels? When I went to his table at Elaine's I told him that I had been a fan of his ever since his biker pictures. I lied. I'd never seen any. This was back when I was living in New York. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:54 pm |
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Marc wrote: Gary,
my question of Betsy is perfectly legit.
I was also referring to your comments on the dog forum.  |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:59 pm |
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| I'll be heading out to 17 Again shortly. Who need Twitter, we've got Turd I ! |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:08 pm |
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marantzo wrote: I'll be heading out to 17 Again shortly. Who need Twitter, we've got Turd I !
Thomas Lennon and Melora Hardin forever!!! |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:19 pm |
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Quote: I was also referring to your comments on the dog forum.
I mentioned I got myself a new puppy, a chihuahua.
Betsy's response is
Quote: I hope you're kidding. There are only 2 dog breeds I'd never own......chihuahua and pit bull
Nice. What was the point of Betsy's comment? Kind of the reverse of congratulations, isn't it?
my response:
Quote: This is the second chihuahua I've invited into my life. The first, Fidel, died at the age of twelve several months ago. I'm now hanging with Freddy. He's a beautiful long haired, apple headed chihuahua with a beautiful soul. You are an opinionated broad who occasionally comes off as someone with a heart of steel. Pit Bulls can be beautiful too. The love you make is equal to the love you take. Maybe you need to be someone's pet. Seems you need an occasional pat on the head.
Maybe "heart of steel" is a little rough. How about "the sensitivity of a lug wrench"? Better? |
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| Befade |
| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:23 pm |
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Well........you and Mickey Rourke. Sorry to offend you. Alot of people seem to love chihuahuas. I just don't. I do think dogs are great.....why else would I have 3 shelter dogs?
What's wrong with having likes and dislikes Marc? Unless the polite conversation here forbids opposing preferences.
I'm not one to avoid downer movies......I used to joke that if I wanted to feel better I'd go to a depressing movie. I confess to liking beautiful settings and interiors in films. That doesn't mean that I can't appreciate the art in films that don't have them. Music's important to you. Surroundings are important to me.
I still have the question: Why did Solo become attached to William so quickly? The film did not communicate the logic of this to me. |
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