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| lissa |
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| I think if he were kidding, he'd have had some joviality that night - he might be a good actor, but I'm not sure even he could have kept a straight face. Instead, he was utterly odd, and as time keeps passing, his silence is more telling. |
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| carrobin |
| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:03 pm |
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| He did let a smile slip out once on Letterman. You had to be watching carefully, though. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:46 pm |
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lissa wrote: I think if he were kidding, he'd have had some joviality that night - he might be a good actor, but I'm not sure even he could have kept a straight face. Instead, he was utterly odd, and as time keeps passing, his silence is more telling.
You think an actor of average talent can't maintain a comic performance without breaking up? For even a 15-minute segment? You don't think much of actors. Ever seen improv? |
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| Befade |
| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:15 pm |
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nicely put, Lissa. I noticed him put the gum under the desk when Letterman put him down for chewing gum. And saying something like "I won't let you chew gum when you come to my house." The audience was laughing their heads off. Joaquin talks about his music and how he'd love to come on Dave's show and perform.......Dave says "No way."
Has Joaquin Phoenix EVER been attached to anything that was humorous? In movies or interviews? I can't think of anything......so why would he all of a sudden get a wild and crazy sense of humor?
I saw him doing his rapping and it was pitiful. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:17 pm |
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| I saw the Letterman/Phoenix interview when the show was rerun. It looked to me like Phoenix was mostly putting on an act. He was trying to be a jerk. However, I did wonder if he was on something at the time. |
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| Befade |
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Quote: I absolutely loathed the Van Sant movie LAST DAYS
Then I challenge you to see Wendy and Lucy and not loath IT.
Next question: What is it about Wendy and Lucy that Mark will love? |
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| lissa |
| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:28 am |
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carrobin - Phoenix's smile was in reaction to something David said, and it looked more like the smile of a kid who just got the joke than an actual relaxed smile.
He was rude, plain and simple, the gum, the aloofness, and whether he was acting or not, it was just not a good way to endear himself to anyone seeing him for the first time.
Joe, I think actors can definitely pull off a comic routine without breaking focus, but he kept a wall up that - as I just said - didn't make him look very likable. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:39 am |
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Befade wrote:
I saw him doing his rapping and it was pitiful.
Where did you see this? My suspicion was that he's a dreadful rapper, but I'd still love to see it. Can you link or anything? Thanks. |
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| Befade |
| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:59 pm |
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| Wish I had a better memory, Billy. I don't know. What I saw were zombie-like movements. His speech was slow and meaningless. No vitality. I think it was tv not the internet. |
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| lissa |
| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:10 pm |
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Just need to google it. I found this.
You tell me. |
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I don't give a shit about Joaquin's motivation. Regardless of whether he was stoned, surly, spaced, bored with the industry or play-acting for effect, he walked onto one the planet's biggest talk shows and disrespected its host and audience. He was dead air.
Twisting this on its head by looking only at the entertainment value is like excusing Sarah Palin for being ignorant because she spawned some great satire. Stupid is stupid, and in Joaquin's case prick is prick.
No self-respecting publicist would've sanctioned this. Joaquin almost certainly pulled this shit on his own initiative. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:11 pm |
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Gotta disageee, Lorne.
I loved it. I loved that he didn't play the typical PR game and made Letterman struggle to fill airtime. Did he disrespect the audience? I didn't feel disrespected, but then I'm not a regular viewer. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:20 pm |
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| I think Letterman enjoyed the challenge. And it got both of them plenty of publicity. |
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| lshap |
| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:24 pm |
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Saw Defiance last night and broke my moratorium of Holocaust films. Yes, I thought The Reader was one of the best films of last year, but though the Holocaust looms in the background of the story, it's an anchor you know is there but never actually see. I usually avoid Holocaust films because, first of all, I've seen plenty of 'em. I know the particulars; really don't need to see more evil Nazis. I also think it's too easy to mine drama from this same well; The Holocaust was a source of unlimited suffering, it doesn't then follow that it has to be a source of unlimited films.
Anyway, that was my take as I went to see Defiance, starring the very un-Jewish Daniel Craig as the oldest of the Jewish Bielski brothers, whose real life heroics involved leading a mob of desperate Jewish refugees into the forest and out of reach of the Nazis. What starts off as a survival reflex for the four tough Bielski brothers, setting up shelter deep in the forest, evolves as lone survivors, fighters and ghetto escapees trickle in and eventually evolve into a community.
There's the central battle of wills between Craig's character and his brother, played by a surprisingly hulking Liev Schreiber. The two older Bielskis are not only the defacto leaders of the group, but their leadership styles offer insights into the elastic nature of morality when confronted by extreme circumstances. Beyond those two main characters Defiance is a survival story of Man vs. the elements and, of course, Man versus himself. It's also an action thriller as the Nazis and Russians are sniffing around every tree. Clashes, chases, bullets and fists are plentiful. And it all works wonderfully because, unlike most Holocaust films, this was a real-life event I didn't know and had no clue about the ending. Imagine that! A real World War 2 event that took place in the Belorussian forests involving hundreds of Jews, and for once I sat there not knowing who was going to win. How cool is that? Even better, for once the Jews aren't simple punching bags. When the Russian partisan leader scoffs, "Jews don't fight.", Schreiber cooly answers, "These Jews do". Watching that moment within an obscure bubble of history, it felt like the Jews may actually beat the bad guys.
But beyond my personal ignorance of that historical event, however, Defiance really is an exciting story, not because it memorializes horror, but because it celebrates strength. It's a great film. |
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