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| seagull |
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tirebiter wrote: Proposition: That The Dark Knight is more similar to Hamlet than to any other of Shakespeare's plays.
Annnd.. begin.
Proposition: Maggie gyllenhal's knees are very kissable in The Dark night...
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:53 am |
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I saw the X Files movie yesterday. I had no trouble sitting through it, but as an X Files movie it was very disappointing.
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It was an FBI crime story about crimes that were bizarre and gruesome, but not X File stuff. No aliens or even a hint of extra terrestrial goings on. Mulder is called back into action by the FBI for no apparent reason and Scully has a subplot as a doctor caring for a dying boy that is just annoying. Religion and its many sides infuses the whole movie and is so uninteresting and makes for such a boring, hackneyed dilemma that I wanted to scream. The plot has holes you could drive a truck through and trucks do play a big part in the movie. Ironic.
The acting is good and Mulder's and Scully's relationship is explored and sort of interesting, but pretty confused. Connolly playing the pedophile defrocked priest is good but his role is ridiculous.
The good things about the movie: The script was very lame a lot of times but the all too infrequent humourous quips were good and very welcome. The music was excellent.
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Yes, I was very disappointed. And now that I think of it, sitting through it wasn't all that easy. |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:57 am |
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| For Hamlet, Shakespeare abandoned the prevailing Aristotelian precept that drama should be driven by action, rather than character. It is a play open to interpretation and deals with “complex philosophical and ethical issues that surround cold-blooded murder, calculated revenge and thwarted desire”…So stop being a literal smart-arse. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:59 am |
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| I suppose that Batman has a hard time making up his mind. |
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| lady wakasa |
| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:06 am |
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jeremy wrote: For Hamlet, Shakespeare abandoned the prevailing Aristotelian precept that drama should be driven by action, rather than character. It is a play open to interpretation and deals with “complex philosophical and ethical issues that surround cold-blooded murder, calculated revenge and thwarted desire”…So stop being a literal smart-arse.
But is that enough to call it the Hamlet of comic book adaptations? Character-driven tales are way way common these days. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:09 am |
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seagull wrote: Dark Knight is more similar to Broadcast news (Johnny To movie) than any British stage play...Globe or not.
Broadcast News was Albert Brooks - not sure which Johnny To you're referring to, but it's not listed as Broadcast News in imdb or Wikipedia. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:12 am |
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lady wakasa wrote: seagull wrote: Dark Knight is more similar to Broadcast news (Johnny To movie) than any British stage play...Globe or not. was Albert Brooks - not sure which Johnny To you're referring to, but it's not listed as Broadcast News in imdb or Wikipedia.
Guh! Im two left fingers today..
Breaking news.
This one.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0414931/ |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:15 am |
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jeremy wrote: For Hamlet, Shakespeare abandoned the prevailing Aristotelian precept that drama should be driven by action, rather than character. It is a play open to interpretation and deals with “complex philosophical and ethical issues that surround cold-blooded murder, calculated revenge and thwarted desire”…So stop being a literal smart-arse.
No he didn't. Hamlet fights someone in the end. a true artist woulda never compromised. Aristotle laughs dryly and walks on with his student following.
Batman's drama is driven by plenty of action. some of which feature a batmobile.
The trouble with posting where people actually read your posts is....? |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:29 am |
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| I can see Jeremy's point. Prithee, lotsa superheroes are caught in a Hamlet-like bind, juggling trick-y moral issues and dealing with secret identities and betrayals and weighing whether revenge is justified, etc. I suppose you could make the same point about "Fresh Prince of Belair," but the melancholy Dane and the brooding Bat have much in common, methinks.... |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:37 am |
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huthefukisprithee?
thank you. |
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| lady wakasa |
| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:40 am |
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seagull wrote: lady wakasa wrote: seagull wrote: Dark Knight is more similar to Broadcast news (Johnny To movie) than any British stage play...Globe or not. was Albert Brooks - not sure which Johnny To you're referring to, but it's not listed as Broadcast News in imdb or Wikipedia.
Guh! Im two left fingers today..
Breaking news.
This one.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0414931/
Okay.
That tangentially reminds me of Murder, Take One, about a murder investigation (murder of a tv exec) that is more or less broadcast on network news: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0475517/
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:51 am |
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The Japanese ghost,
Try and find this film (Breaking news) you'll see many of the batman bad guy interactions have the same zeitgeist as the good guy bad guy interactions in a big city as in BN. |
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I think you are missing the historical analogy. Yes, Hamlet was not devoid of action, but it nonetheless represented a drmatic sea change in terms of character and internal dialogue. Similarly, and you may find this a big claim, but as far as the comic book genre is concerned, I feel that, at least in its intent and ambition, Dark Knight, again not devoid of action, represents a similar step up.
And I haven't started talking about tone. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:19 am |
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jeremy wrote: I think you are missing the historical analogy. Yes, Hamlet was not devoid of action, but it nonetheless represented a drmatic sea change in terms of character and internal dialogue. Similarly, and you may find this a big claim, but as far as the comic book genre is concerned, I feel that, at least in its intent and ambition, Dark Knight, again not devoid of action, represents a similar step up.
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jeremy wrote: I think you are missing the historical analogy. Yes, Hamlet was not devoid of action, but it nonetheless represented a drmatic sea change in terms of character and internal dialogue. Similarly, and you may find this a big claim, but as far as the comic book genre is concerned, I feel that, at least in its intent and ambition, Dark Knight, again not devoid of action, represents a similar step up.
And I haven't started talking about tone.
Please do...because this analogy just doesn't resonate with me. Don't see any parallels betw/ Hamlet & The Dk. Knight. |
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