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yambu |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:48 am |
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Streep is my girlfriend, and has been since the hoaky Holocaust TV mini-series in '78. Take it from a retired divorce lawyer. |
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Syd |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:52 am |
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yambu wrote: Streep is my girlfriend, and has been since the hoaky Holocaust TV mini-series in '78. Take it from a retired divorce lawyer.
Does she do accents for you? Women with accents are hot.
PS: Tara Fitzgerald makes me melt. I'm not sure whether she's really good, but when she talks I'm like Wanda in A Fish Called Wanda.
PPS: Hmm. That makes me sound like a lesbian.
I have a female friend originally from Brighton. The same kind of voice. Resistance is futile. Unfortunately she's now a snow bunny and bronze sculptor in Wyoming, and has a boyfriend. |
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jeremy |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:25 am |
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Never mind Rendered On The Road To Iraq , Mamma Mia could be one of the year's more subversive films. Under the guise of a sunny, summer season musical, we have the story of a woman who slept with three men in a very short space of time and shortly after (probably nine months) gave birth to a girl. Against the Hollywood norm, she does not appear to have suffered physically or psychologically for this transgression, and her daughter, brought-up in a fatherless household, seems happy and well-adjusted. Worse still, nobody recognises mum for the shameless hussey she is, the greatest rebuke she receives amounts to little more than a raised eye-brow, which conveys envy as much as opprobrium
If the guardians of American decency can arouse enough indignation in their constituencies and congregations to sink a surprisingly spiritual and moral film like The Golden Compass, what will their reaction be when they settle down to what they may have thought was going to be a family friendly musical full of songs from what were perhaps the most wholesome group in pop music this side of The Osmonds, only to find themselves watching a feminist celebration of free-love and female empowerment.
Did I misread it, or was the main role of men in Mamma Mia to provide sex, make-up the numbers at a wedding (one must make certain concessions to tradition) and perhaps provide a comforting bolster (part hot-water bottle, part vibrator)for a woman in her twilight years. They’re also pretty good for putting up shelves. |
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jeremy |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:39 am |
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Meryl Streep is just fine.
Pauline Kael was also fine, but way too influential.
Rod is fine by me and Oliver Stone does suck. |
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tirebiter |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:10 am |
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Only one actor is worthy of praise: Oskar Homolka.
All other actors suck. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:20 am |
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jeremy wrote: Never mind Rendered On The Road To Iraq , Mamma Mia could be one of the year's more subversive films. Under the guise of a sunny, summer season musical, we have the story of a woman who slept with three men in a very short space of time and shortly after (probably nine months) gave birth to a girl. Against the Hollywood norm, she does not appear to have suffered physically or psychologically for this transgression, and her daughter, brought-up in a fatherless household, seems happy and well-adjusted. Worse still, nobody recognises mum for the shameless hussey she is, the greatest rebuke she receives amounts to little more than a raised eye-brow, which conveys envy as much as opprobrium
If the guardians of American decency can arouse enough indignation in their constituencies and congregations to sink a surprisingly spiritual and moral film like The Golden Compass, what will their reaction be when they settle down to what they may have thought was going to be a family friendly musical full of songs from what were perhaps the most wholesome group in pop music this side of The Osmonds, only to find themselves watching a feminist celebration of free-love and female empowerment.
Did I misread it, or was the main role of men in Mamma Mia to provide sex, make-up the numbers at a wedding (one must make certain concessions to tradition) and perhaps provide a comforting bolster (part hot-water bottle, part vibrator)for a woman in her twilight years. They’re also pretty good for putting up shelves.
Sorry to shoot this thesis down, or to dilute it, but Mamma Mia! is based quite closely on a 40-year-old comedy called Buona Sera, Mrs. Campbell, with Gina Lollobrigida in the role filled by Streep in MM! Therefore, it seems the "subversion" was already accomplished in 1968. |
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jeremy |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:21 am |
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Oskar Homolka always played the stereoptypical, cold war Russian.
I loved his Colonel Stok, though The Billion Dollar Brain was easily the worst of the Harry Palmer films. |
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jeremy |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:15 am |
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billyweeds wrote: jeremy wrote: Never mind Rendered On The Road To Iraq , Mamma Mia could be one of the year's more subversive films...
...They’re also pretty good for putting up shelves.
Sorry to shoot this thesis down, or to dilute it, but Mamma Mia! is based quite closely on a 40-year-old comedy called Buona Sera, Mrs. Campbell, with Gina Lollobrigida in the role filled by Streep in MM! Therefore, it seems the "subversion" was already accomplished in 1968.
Billy, I'm sure what your saying is right, though I haven't checked to see whether the writers of Mamma Mia! acknowledge that their show is based on the 1968 film. I will also confess, and not for the first time, to enaging in a little hyperbole. Regardless, I still think the film still has the potential to offend and possibly subvert. Hollywood often addresses transgressive behaviour, but rarely in such a context free and offhand way. Where is the censure, the retribution, the unhappy and broken lives? "Oh I had three lovers in a month and not only do I not know which is the father of my child, I don't care - as you can see not only can I manage perfectly well without a man in my life, I actuall;y like it that way." |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:28 am |
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Jeremy--Not having seen BS, Mrs.C in years, I think you may be absolutely right, in that the original movie may have indulged in retribution and remorse. |
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mo_flixx |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:14 am |
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Nothing appears at the imdb.com linking "Mamma Mia" to "Buona Sera, Mrs. Campbell." There is not even a synopsis of BS MC.
The only writer credited for "Mamma Mia" is Catherine Johnson. And nothing under "Movie Connections."
Interesting bit of info., billy. I know almost nothing about BS MC -- never saw it.
I wonder how the plot was handled in 1968 so that it didn't offend the sensibilities of the time. |
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jeremy |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:22 am |
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The film starred Gina Lollibrigida as a wartime prostitute who was conning money out of three GIs she'd 'known' during the war; telling each they were the father of her daughter. I remember seeing it as a child on TV and thinking of it as a moderately funny farce without really considering the context. I just accepted the premise as I would any 'set up'. Despite, or perhaps because, the times were more innocent, in certain respects, they were also less judgemental. |
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jeremy |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:26 am |
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From Wiki:
Quote: Mamma Mia! is a musical with a book by British playwright Catherine Johnson, based on the songs of ABBA, composed by Benny Andersson and Björn Ulvaeus. It is an example of a jukebox musical, and is notable for popularising the genre. The plot is adapted from the 1968 film Buona Sera, Mrs. Campbell starring Gina Lollobrigida.
Though it's not clear that the author accepts that it is an adaptation. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:38 am |
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jeremy wrote: From Wiki:
Quote: Mamma Mia! is a musical with a book by British playwright Catherine Johnson, based on the songs of ABBA, composed by Benny Andersson and Björn Ulvaeus. It is an example of a jukebox musical, and is notable for popularising the genre. The plot is adapted from the 1968 film Buona Sera, Mrs. Campbell starring Gina Lollobrigida.
Though it's not clear that the author accepts that it is an adaptation.
I think the authors of MM! would much prefer that people like me who know it's an undeclared adaptation would just shut up. BSMC was also the source for another musical comedy, the 1979 Alan Jay Lerner-Burton Lane flop Carmelina, which starred Georgia Brown and Paul Sorvino. In that case, however, the infinitely classier Lerner and Lane acknowledged the source material. |
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Rod |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:52 am |
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This seems like as neat a moment as any to say that from now on I'll be posting my quick-fire reviews on my own blog, not here:
http://thisislandrod.blogspot.com/
Those of you who care may come read now and then. |
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lady wakasa |
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:14 am |
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Rod wrote: This seems like as neat a moment as any to say that from now on I'll be posting my quick-fire reviews on my own blog, not here:
http://thisislandrod.blogspot.com/
Those of you who care may come read now and then.
Okay - will look for that. (May even link once the home computer issue is settled.)
But will you have space for people to discuss / refute your interpretation of No Country for Old Men? %^} |
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