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Marilyn |
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:02 pm |
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I don't think what we said could be called an "accusation."
According to Wikipedia:
Quote: Garbo's biographer Barry Paris notes that she was "technically bisexual, predominantly lesbian, and increasingly asexual as the years went by." It has been indicated that Garbo struggled greatly with her sexuality, only becoming involved with other women in affairs that she could control. |
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Marj |
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:30 pm |
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I find Garbo to be a fascinating creature. I mean that with all due respect. My sister had a terrific book on her life, loves and films. To see her transformation from a rather chubby and unremarkable young lady to 'Garbo' is reason enough to be fascinated by her.
I don't care a wit about her sexuality. She used it in a way no actress had ever used it before. But I must admit when I began watching her films more carefully I saw that she wasn't a very good actress. And yes, she was often too cold too mannered and especially in The Grand Hotel she was close to embarrassing to watch. So, Marilyn, as much as I loved your review I do think she did cross that line. But not in Camille. I thought this was one of her better pieces of work.
My take is that she is more of a fascinating persona than an actress. And I'm happy to stick with that. I never had a Garbo siting. And anyone who lived or visited NYC during her life here knows that it was a huge deal. Considering we New Yorkers can be so jaded seeing Garbo was an event! |
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mo_flixx |
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:50 pm |
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ehle64 wrote: The Sewing Circle is a good read. I suggest a few people to consult it before throwing around accusations.
The book gets solidly trashed in the Readers' Comments at amazon.com . As to Crawford, the rumors are that she was a nympho - maybe that also included women. Director Vincent Sherman writes about their trysts in _Studio Affairs_. And the rather amazing Steven Spielberg/Crawford "Night Gallery" gossip was rife when I worked at Universal. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:05 pm |
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Nancy wrote: When my mother was a student in New York in the 1940's, she saw Garbo at the health food store they both shopped at. She remembered that Garbo had big feet.
That reminds me of a story that Groucho told about being with Garbo on an elevator. First he said that she had big feet, then he said that she was wearing a big hat and was standing in front of him. He said, "Excuse me mister can you remove your hat?" |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:30 pm |
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marantzo wrote: From what I have read about her, she didn't seem to have any real male lovers, but it was a long time ago and I could be wrong.
John Gilbert has been described as the big romance of her life. She did everything to save his career in the sound era, even refusing Laurence Olivier the leading role in Queen Christina. This move effectively killed Olivier's chances of being a leading man in Hollywood, having been scorned by Garbo. It did nothing to revive Gilbert's career, however. Their goodbye at the Hollywood train station was apparently very emotional. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:32 pm |
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tirebiter wrote: Any evidence?
Pauline Kael brings it up in her capsule review of Ninotchka. |
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Rod |
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:04 pm |
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By way of tribute to Paul Scofield:
http://ferdyonfilms.com/2008/03/a-man-for-all-seasons-1966.php
I watched two moody, strange, intriguing and unsatisfying films last night.
The first was Reflection in a Golden Eye. Though it finished up as nearly dramatically inert, this does maintain a note of creeping dread as it watches its characters with a cool detachment. I had the feeling from this film that John Huston was feeling his way through a morass of Carson McCullers’ southern melodrama clichés – lusty wife! Fruity husband! Illicit affair! Nature-child symbolic supporting characters! Faded southern belle going crazy wife! – towards something new - and it’s not just that it’s one of the first Hollywood films to have an out-and-out gay theme, thought that’s part of it, but also in trying to create a cinema that could properly take on a sense of the interior life as its subject; perhaps it’s the observational poise of Huston’s camera, the slow-soaking approach he takes, that seems to foretell elements of a more modern cinema, and that we have benefited from this. Just not specifically from this film. Marlon Brando is way better than he needs to be, and I never thought I’d ever Robert Forster riding a horse naked.
The other film was Where the Truth Lies, which I liked a whole lot more than I thought I would. I think it was chiefly due to Atom Egoyan’s ability to conjure a slightly dreamy, fairytale vibe even from the seamiest material, charged with a viscous sensuality. So that whilst his story was essentially a mystery, at no point did it ever encourage us to get excited about who the killer was. It helped that I really liked Kevin Bacon and Colin Firth’s performances at the center – both men are often underrated. At first Alison Lohman’s little-girl voice irritated the bejesus out of me, and I thought her horrendously miscast, but it began to make more sense as it went along, seeing her part was essentially of a woman who thinks she’s much more in control than she actually is. It helped that it was not too long. |
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yambu |
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:06 am |
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I rented Arsenic and Old Lace, because my brother reminded me that he played Raymond Massey's role of the evil brother Jonathan in high school (one of thousands in the '50's nationwide). A delightful old chestnut, pretty black for its time, now dated. The weak link is the hero Cary Grant. He can't do frazzled. With Peter Lorre. |
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mo_flixx |
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:32 am |
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Rod wrote: ...
The other film was Where the Truth Lies, which I liked a whole lot more than I thought I would. I think it was chiefly due to Atom Egoyan’s ability to conjure a slightly dreamy, fairytale vibe even from the seamiest material, charged with a viscous sensuality. So that whilst his story was essentially a mystery, at no point did it ever encourage us to get excited about who the killer was. It helped that I really liked Kevin Bacon and Colin Firth’s performances at the center – both men are often underrated. At first Alison Lohman’s little-girl voice irritated the bejesus out of me, and I thought her horrendously miscast, but it began to make more sense as it went along, seeing her part was essentially of a woman who thinks she’s much more in control than she actually is. It helped that it was not too long.
I liked WTTL a lot. I don't remember if I wrote about it here. I think I did. It's one of those movies that makes good use of Hollywood locations. I was intrigued by the mystery and the relationship between the two men. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:36 am |
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gromit wrote: I find it interesting that as women became liberated in the '20's, they tended to have page-boy haircuts, and then two androgynous Euros, Marlene Dietrich and Great Garbo, became big stars.
I don't know how you define "androgynous," but I don't think either Dietrich or Garbo could ever be mistaken for a man.
David Bowie is androgynous. |
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yambu |
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:00 am |
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In the Shadow of the Moon is a splendid documentary about the nine Apollo moon missions. astronaut Michael Collins is a great interlocutor. Neil Armstrong is missing. He was the best among his peers, but a real stiff vis a vis the public. Spectacular archival footage. I don't ever remember seeing such sustained looks at missile stage separations and dockings. Many times you could pretend you were looking at animation. |
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Marj |
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:19 am |
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yambu wrote: I rented Arsenic and Old Lace, because my brother reminded me that he played Raymond Massey's role of the evil brother Jonathan in high school (one of thousands in the '50's nationwide). A delightful old chestnut, pretty black for its time, now dated. The weak link is the hero Cary Grant. He can't do frazzled. With Peter Lorre.
Yam -- For once I have to disagree. Cary Grant may have been a little over the top, but he can do frazzled and then some. I love this movie and one major reason is Cary Grant.
I also love the way they got the feeling of autumn so right. I know it seems like a minor point but back then, no one ever seemed to get it the way in which this film did. I didn't grow up in Brooklyn but it reminded me of Halloween when I was a child. The only other film that did as well was Meet Me in St. Louis. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:13 am |
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Marj wrote: yambu wrote: I rented Arsenic and Old Lace, because my brother reminded me that he played Raymond Massey's role of the evil brother Jonathan in high school (one of thousands in the '50's nationwide). A delightful old chestnut, pretty black for its time, now dated. The weak link is the hero Cary Grant. He can't do frazzled. With Peter Lorre.
Yam -- For once I have to disagree. Cary Grant may have been a little over the top, but he can do frazzled and then some. I love this movie and one major reason is Cary Grant.
I also love the way they got the feeling of autumn so right. I know it seems like a minor point but back then, no one ever seemed to get it the way in which this film did. I didn't grow up in Brooklyn but it reminded me of Halloween when I was a child. The only other film that did as well was Meet Me in St. Louis.
I've never seen the movie of Arsenic and Old Lace even though I like the play a lot. The main reason I've avoided the film is because I've always heard it featured a bad performance by Cary Grant. Now it looks like I'll have to check it out for myself.
Grant certainly can do frazzled, and brilliantly, as anyone who loves Bringing Up Baby can attest. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:16 am |
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Saw The Bad and the Beautiful again last night. What a great piece of cornball melodrama! The only major flaw is the performance by Lana Turner. She was truly amateurish.
She plays a bad actress who Kirk Douglas, her director, turns into a great actress. Problem is that even when she's a "great" actress she still stinks. |
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Rod |
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:47 am |
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Can't disagree. I think it's her best, nonetheless. |
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