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tirebiter wrote: "and featuring Jessica Alba as Tarina the Jungle Girl!"
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:02 am |
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[Rambling post]
I think Apocamelypto borrowed a fair amount from Cornel Wilde's The Naked Prey, which in turn was based upon the true story of a trapper, John Colter, who survived being set free and hunted down by a band of Blackfoot Indians.
Wilde had trouble getting backing and shifted production to South Africa where things were cheaper and he was given assistance. So it was changed from a true story about Native Americans hunting down a white guy to African natives doing the same to a safari guide.
The man (listed in the credits as The Man and played by Cornel Wilde) who gets to run for his life is the lucky one. The other more offensive white men have some pretty grisly torture inflict on them, the kind of scenes which Mel probably enjoyed.
For whatever reason I've seen a few older Cornel Wilde films recently. Leave Her to Heaven (1945) a fairly contrived melodrama.
And The Big Combo (1955), a silly but fun noir.
I find it interesting how some folks transformed themselves and their careers in the 60's when the cultural shift occurred. One of my favorites is the singer Eugene McDaniels who went from the gentle pop of A Hundred Pounds Of Clay in the early 60's to Headless Heroes of the Apocalypse in the early 70's.
Whoa, back full circle to Apocalypse.
How did that happen?
That might make for an interesting forum:
How did directors and actors adapt to the changed cultural landscape of the mid-60's and 70's?
Some like Cornel Wilde did some interesting stuff, others tried to be hip and failed miserably. Some resisted and remained square. I might be exaggerating, but it seems to be a tectonic shift akin to the advent of talkies, or imposition of The Code, or rock music & the Beatles upending the music industry.
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mo_flixx |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:15 am |
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tirebiter wrote: Jeremy: Thanks for the review-- it's a film I hadn't thought of in awhile. I'm glad I saw it one the big screen. I saw The New World at about the same time and I found Apocalypto a vital, vulgar counterpoint to Malick's perfect aestheticism.
I love reading about Aztec and Maya and Inca culture. It was good fun to see Gibson's well-appointed take on the noble savage, and I give him props for not using English and not prettying up the actors-- "and featuring Jessica Alba as Tarina the Jungle Girl!"
This is a movie that I still haven't seen. I'm hoping that Marc will show it on the big screen at his Film Society. I can't bring myself to watch it on my small old TV.
Interesting comparison with "The New World," which I saw in a theater and thought was incredible. |
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gromit wrote: [Rambling post]
I think Apocamelypto borrowed a fair amount from Cornel Wilde's The Naked Prey, which in turn was based upon the true story of a trapper, John Colter, who survived being set free and hunted down by a band of Blackfoot Indians.
Wilde had trouble getting backing and shifted production to South Africa where things were cheaper and he was given assistance. So it was changed from a true story about Native Americans hunting down a white guy to African natives doing the same to a safari guide.
The man (listed in the credits as The Man and played by Cornel Wilde) who gets to run for his life is the lucky one. The other more offensive white men have some pretty grisly torture inflict on them, the kind of scenes which Mel probably enjoyed.
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I first saw the Naked Prey when I was about 10 years old. Sensitive soul that I was, I remember being sickened by the fate of one of the African porters who was palstered in clay and baked over a slow fire. I guess it's all very tame by today's standards. My elder daughter illicitly watched my copy of The Texas Chain Saw Massacre when she was about 13. When I quizzed her as to what she thought about it, she said that she had found it to be, "Hilarious." |
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gromit |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:01 pm |
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It's one of the white hunters who gets the shake-and-bake treatment.
I guess The Most Dangerous Game is the granddad of this niche genre. |
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Syd |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:20 pm |
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gromit wrote:
How did directors and actors adapt to the changed cultural landscape of the mid-60's and 70's?
That's easy. They all said, "Hey now, we can do sex in films!" and lo, there was sex in films. |
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billyweeds wrote: The Assassination of Jesse James... is a lovely-to-look-at numbing-to-sit-through Western with pretentions which reminds me why I never liked McCabe and Mrs. Miller.
The photography is stunning and the performances are fine, but everyone looks alike, like one long daguerrotype. Affleck is interesting but I liked him better in Gone Baby Gone. He had the starring role and Pitt's Jesse was the supporting part, making Affleck's supporting nomination a joke.
Hmm, I was looking forward to seeing that film. I loved 1980's The Long Riders - any similarities in style, pace? |
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Marilyn |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:52 pm |
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Trish |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:00 pm |
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re: Apocalypto
Great review jeremy, I really liked the film - it is too bad, all the tabloid Gibson news caused it to be overlooked in the theatre and for awards. The actors, the cinematography, the story were all excellent. I think I nominated the film for a couple Blanche awards (Foreign Film, Cinematography) |
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:35 pm |
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gromit wrote:
That might make for an interesting forum:
How did directors and actors adapt to the changed cultural landscape of the mid-60's and 70's?
I might be exaggerating, but it seems to be a tectonic shift akin to the advent of talkies, or imposition of The Code, or rock music & the Beatles upending the music industry.
this could be just as easily dealt with in a successive series of fora broken out by decade... |
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mo_flixx |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:51 pm |
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bocce wrote: gromit wrote:
That might make for an interesting forum:
How did directors and actors adapt to the changed cultural landscape of the mid-60's and 70's?
I might be exaggerating, but it seems to be a tectonic shift akin to the advent of talkies, or imposition of The Code, or rock music & the Beatles upending the music industry.
this could be just as easily dealt with in a successive series of fora broken out by decade...
There's already an excellent book on this by Peter Biskind. I think the title is _Easy Riders and Raging Bulls_ or something like that. |
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mo_flixx |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:54 pm |
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Re: John Woo.
I forgot to say that one director Woo reminds me of very much is HOWARD HAWKS.
The emphasis on professionalism (in Woo's case the code of honor and how it relates to crime), male friendships, and the Hawksian/Wooian woman come to mind. |
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[quote="Trish"]billyweeds wrote: Hmm, I was looking forward to seeing that film. I loved 1980's The Long Riders - any similarities in style, pace?
I thought it was really good, though not as good as The Long Riders, one of my all-time favorites. Assassination of Jesse James reminded me a bit of In Cold Blood -- similar in mood and look, I guess. And Casey Affleck was outstanding. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:03 pm |
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gromit wrote: [Rambling post]
I think Apocamelypto borrowed a fair amount from Cornel Wilde's The Naked Prey, which in turn was based upon the true story of a trapper, John Colter, who survived being set free and hunted down by a band of Blackfoot Indians.
Wilde had trouble getting backing and shifted production to South Africa where things were cheaper and he was given assistance. So it was changed from a true story about Native Americans hunting down a white guy to African natives doing the same to a safari guide.
The man (listed in the credits as The Man and played by Cornel Wilde) who gets to run for his life is the lucky one. The other more offensive white men have some pretty grisly torture inflict on them, the kind of scenes which Mel probably enjoyed.
For whatever reason I've seen a few older Cornel Wilde films recently. Leave Her to Heaven (1945) a fairly contrived melodrama.
And The Big Combo (1955), a silly but fun noir.
I find it interesting how some folks transformed themselves and their careers in the 60's when the cultural shift occurred. One of my favorites is the singer Eugene McDaniels who went from the gentle pop of A Hundred Pounds Of Clay in the early 60's to Headless Heroes of the Apocalypse in the early 70's.
Whoa, back full circle to Apocalypse.
How did that happen?
That might make for an interesting forum:
How did directors and actors adapt to the changed cultural landscape of the mid-60's and 70's?
Some like Cornel Wilde did some interesting stuff, others tried to be hip and failed miserably. Some resisted and remained square. I might be exaggerating, but it seems to be a tectonic shift akin to the advent of talkies, or imposition of The Code, or rock music & the Beatles upending the music industry.
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One of the most striking in this area was the transformation of Dean Stanton, character actor in low-budget Hollywood movies, into Harry Dean Stanton, counter-cultural hero. |
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