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| tirebiter |
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Greasy shits of the world unite!
Actually, keeping yourselves separate might be a good idea. .. |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:02 pm |
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Rod wrote: Good lord what a storm in a teacup. I'm only guilty of poor exposition (admittedly a fault I take exception to myself) in a late-night post, when what I was trying to say was, "an intelligent film does not need to treat its audience like morons and shove the point down their throats". High and Low is a miracle of social observation and philosophical discourse as well as cinematic construction expostulated through the structure of a solid policier. Apologies, Gromit, as you obviously mistook me.
Nice to see the usual greasy shits lining up to take a whack in instantaneously thinking the worse of me. Keep it coming, lads.
Criticism is a waste of time and energy. I'm qutting it altogether.
I don't know. I share your opinion of High and Low. It's my favorite Kurosawa, which means it's one of the best films I've ever seen. It also succeeds as a detective story and police procedural as well as social observation.
EDIT: It's also the best shoe film ever made. |
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| lady wakasa |
| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:46 pm |
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Syd wrote: It's also the best shoe film ever made.
"I give it five stilettos." - I. Marcos |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:32 pm |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:28 pm |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:28 pm |
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jeremy wrote: Yellow card for Billy.
What does that mean? |
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| mo_flixx |
| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:28 pm |
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Just saw a provacative movie "Man Bites Dog" made by some Belgian film students in the early '90's. Really a trip, violent, and NOT for everyone.
Has anyone else seen it?
Tonite's viewing will be the extras on the Director's Cut of ZODIAC!! |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:36 pm |
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mo_flixx wrote: Just saw a provacative movie "Man Bites Dog" made by some Belgian film students in the early '90's. Really a trip, violent, and NOT for everyone.
Has anyone else seen it?
Tonite's viewing will be the extras on the Director's Cut of ZODIAC!!
I've always heard Man Bites Dog was very disturbing and I've avoided it on purpose. |
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| mo_flixx |
| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:10 pm |
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billyweeds wrote: mo_flixx wrote: Just saw a provacative movie "Man Bites Dog" made by some Belgian film students in the early '90's. Really a trip, violent, and NOT for everyone.
Has anyone else seen it?
Tonite's viewing will be the extras on the Director's Cut of ZODIAC!!
I've always heard Man Bites Dog was very disturbing and I've avoided it on purpose.
That might be wise. |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:30 am |
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I finally got to see The Danish Poet last year's winner of the Oscar for animated short. I think they gave the award to the right cartoon. It's low key, and it took a few minutes for the absurdities to sneak up on me, but by the time I got to the halfway point, I found my laughing as the jokes built. Sneaky little film, with a nice, simple animation style. The English version is narrated by Liv Ullman, who does all the voices. This is much better than the mawkish The Little Match Girl, which I feared would win it. There's a cute little plot twist near the end which I won't spoil for you. Proof that the simplest animation styles can be the best.
The other nominees last year included Maestro, a seeming slow cartoon with a hilarious punchline, Lifted, a funny short from Pixar (you would have seen it before Rataouille), and No Time For Nuts, a short with Scrat the Ice Age squirrel, a nut and a time machine. |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:51 am |
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| By the way, The Danish Poet is on youtube (in two parts) until someone notices it's there. So are the other nominees in last year's animated short categories. Haven't checked out the live action shorts. I did notice 7:35 en la Manana, which was up a couple of years ago and I like a lot. Not funny, spooky. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:22 am |
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billyweeds wrote: mo_flixx wrote: Just saw a provacative movie "Man Bites Dog" made by some Belgian film students in the early '90's. Really a trip, violent, and NOT for everyone.
Has anyone else seen it?
Tonite's viewing will be the extras on the Director's Cut of ZODIAC!!
I've always heard Man Bites Dog was very disturbing and I've avoided it on purpose.
I laughed a lot throughout that film.
It's a black comedy.
The premise is that a documentary crew starts filming a psychotic serial killer who is very voluble and willing to share his secrets of the trade. The filmmakers increasingly become involved with the killer (he starts financing them for one).
It's a great spoof on ego, the media-driven obsession with violence, and the moral compromises of filmmaking.
A fantastic low-budget satire.
I'm pretty sure I reviewed it here a while back.
The writer/director Rémy Belvaux, killed himself, age 40, a little over a year ago. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:44 am |
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Looks like we had this discussion back on January 15, 2006.
So if one 3rd Eye member sees this film every two years, I think we can schedule a specialty forum on Man Bites Dog in about 2048.
Btw, the original title is It Happened In Your Neighborhood.
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fwiw, here's my thoughts from this day in 2006:
Quote: Man Bites Dog has alot of humor, as well as satire. I think they are critiquing how violence-obsessed modern culture is. And how media-obsessed everyone, even criminals, have become. Here we have a killer eager to flaunt his skills in front of a documentary film crew. It also parodies how entwined film and TV media are in the circle of violence. The film crew gets hands-on experience in crime, and breaches ethical boundaries just a tad when they let the subject of the film, the killer, finance the film with the money he steals.
It's a parody depicting how crime and violence have become so routine that being a killer is equivalent to just another occupation these days. |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:23 am |
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| mo_flixx |
| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:01 am |
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gromit -
[You call ONE remark a "discussion??"  ]
What a shame about Remy Belvaux's suicide. He was obviously very talented.
Here's a list of the awards the film won:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103905/awards
What I liked about the film was how the protagonist (Benoit Poelvoorde) so perfectly portrays a sociopath with a superior attitude toward his victims and has talents involving playing the piano, etc. He seems to know everything about everything, especially killing - as well as anything else. He's delighted to tell his viewers all about himself.
He even discusses why he doesn't particularly like killing children.
His portrayal of a serial killer has to be the most amoral (and weirdly comic) of all time.
Poelvoorde went on to have good career especially as an actor. He's still working today.
The low contrast (necessarily low budget) b & w photography had a Nouvelle Vague look to it. I felt the film could be set in any decade from the '60's on. While it relates to our present obsession with infotainment, it's timeless.
But this movie's graphic violence could be upsetting to many. |
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