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| Marc |
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| Waters is to cinema what limburger is to cheese. Stinky but tasty. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:59 am |
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Quote: If you don't think Waters would love being called "cheesy" then I don't think you get Waters at all.
billy, I think that was ehle's point. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:03 am |
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| The songs and the story of Hairspray are new to me. The movie is very satisfying, feel-good, lilting entertainment. Travolta is very good. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:10 am |
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Marc wrote: Quote: If you don't think Waters would love being called "cheesy" then I don't think you get Waters at all.
billy, I think that was ehle's point.
You may be right, but he didn't phrase it very clearly. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:17 am |
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| The Diving Bell and the Butterfly is well made and certainly worthy of respect, but when I see a movie about a man who writes a book when all he can move is one eyelid and I don't shed even one tear, I think something's wrong. I don't like to be manipulated obviously, but some catharsis is called for here which the overly intellectualized Julian Schnabel movie doesn't give us. It's not remotely a bad film, but neither is it worthy of the hosannas it's been getting from the media. |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:26 am |
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Ehle,
Did you ever say why you loathe Atonement so mush, as opposed to just being indifferent to it, say? |
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| mo_flixx |
| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:29 am |
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I've always thought of Waters as more camp than fromage.
As to the Schnabel film, I was never that wild about "The Sea Inside" with Bardem. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:53 am |
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mo_flixx wrote: I've always thought of Waters as more camp than fromage.
As to the Schnabel film, I was never that wild about "The Sea Inside" with Bardem.
The Sea Inside left me with the same feeling that Billy had in The Diving Bell. There was more narcissism than pathos. |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:12 am |
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It looks like 27 Dresses is this year's Valentine's Day film, but it looks like they're debuting it a couple of weeks too early. (It's too bad Made of Honor isn't coming out in February, because it looks like it would be a good rival, and stars another Grey's Anatomy icon.)
I tend to like these films. Music and Lyrics, Something New and Hitch were the Valentine's Day movies in previous years, and I liked all of them too. I'm certainly going to see 27 Dresses, which looks sweet, funny, and non-demanding, critics be damned.
Besides, I want to see how the scriptwriters deal with Katherine Heigl going through 27 weddings and still not finding someone she wants to marry. That's quite a challenge. |
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| mo_flixx |
| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:19 am |
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Syd wrote: It looks like 27 Dresses is this year's Valentine's Day film, but it looks like they're debuting it a couple of weeks too early. (It's too bad Made of Honor isn't coming out in February, because it looks like it would be a good rival, and stars another Grey's Anatomy icon.)
I tend to like these films. Music and Lyrics, Something New and Hitch were the Valentine's Day movies in previous years, and I liked all of them too. I'm certainly going to see 27 Dresses, which looks sweet, funny, and non-demanding, critics be damned.
Besides, I want to see how the scriptwriters deal with Katherine Heigl going through 27 weddings and still not finding someone she wants to marry. That's quite a challenge.
She could always try a few funerals.
OCC: 4 Weddings and a Funeral.
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:24 am |
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Syd wrote:
Quote: ...Besides, I want to see how the scriptwriters deal with Katherine Heigl going through 27 weddings and still not finding someone she wants to marry. That's quite a challenge.
Katherine Heigl going through 27 weddings and not finding someone who wants to marry - that would be suspending disbelief for longer than a chat show in a writers' strike. |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:29 am |
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mo_flixx wrote: Syd wrote: It looks like 27 Dresses is this year's Valentine's Day film, but it looks like they're debuting it a couple of weeks too early. (It's too bad Made of Honor isn't coming out in February, because it looks like it would be a good rival, and stars another Grey's Anatomy icon.)
I tend to like these films. Music and Lyrics, Something New and Hitch were the Valentine's Day movies in previous years, and I liked all of them too. I'm certainly going to see 27 Dresses, which looks sweet, funny, and non-demanding, critics be damned.
Besides, I want to see how the scriptwriters deal with Katherine Heigl going through 27 weddings and still not finding someone she wants to marry. That's quite a challenge.
She could always try a few funerals.
OCC: 4 Weddings and a Funeral.
But then she'd wind up marrying Hugh Grant. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:42 am |
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I didn't really understand why a film about Daniel Pearl would star Angelina Jolie. It turns out that A Mighty Heart is really the Mariane Pearl story plus the investigation of her husband's kidnapping. One problem is that we don't get much of a feel for Daniel Pearl. I would have been interested in hearing some of his writing. This might sound like it would slow down the film, but since the film must have about twenty scenes of people making cellphone calls, it shouldn't be a concern.
Maybe Jolie, alone and lonely, reading pensively some of Peal's articles would have been a nice touch, and would have allowed for a flashback or two of Pearl at work interviewing or gathering material.
As it was, the flashbacks, interspersed with the search for his abductors and later his body, felt rather heavy handed. I wondered why I should care about Pearl being killed. At least the film is smart enough to have Jolie briefly acknowledge that 10 Pakistanis were kidnapped and killed the same month. Nobody's in pre-production on their ordeal.
So why should I care about Daniel Pearl?
Because he was one of an exalted breed -- an American? Or because he was white? Jewish? A journalist? The manner in which he was killed? (For that matter, what were the reasons that he was targetted ... as the film never made clear).
I assume journalism is they key here, and while the film tries to underscore that, it never becomes tangible or convincingly put into a broader context. The film really stays and functions a personal drama/tragedy.
I didn't like the stereotypes: Pakistan is alien -- crowded, chaotic and cacophonous everywhere at all times. Americans are pushy, arrogant and entitled, but also sensitive. Though to be fair these were probably designed to show how each "side" subjectively saw the other. The handheld cam wore on me after a while. Cellphone calls and police raids didn't grab me. |
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| Rod |
| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:47 am |
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| My comments on Atonement will appear on Ferdy on Films...eventually...there's a backlog at the moment... |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:47 am |
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Just noted on IMDb that the film was
Quote: Based on the memoir "A Mighty Heart: The Brave Life & Death of My Husband Danny Pearl" by Mariane Pearl.
Which explains the (to me, unimpressive) title. And the focus on Mariane.
I guess I would have simply preferred different source material and a different film. |
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