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Marj
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:17 pm Reply with quote
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Syd wrote:
billyweeds wrote:
bart wrote:
Speaking of films about musicians, I'm looking forward to John C. Reilly in this parody of music biopics:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0841046/

I think this was directed by the guy who did The TV Set, btw, Jake Kasdan.


The trailers make it look...er...unwatchable.


I don't know, I rather like the trailer. The time is certainly right for a parody of musical biopics. Dewey Cox looks like the kind of singer who can sing a medley of his hit.,


That's the way I saw it too. It looks like a parody of so many one hit wonders. Of course trailers, especially comedic ones can be so misleading. They tend to put the funniest moments in the trailer. And that's always a disappointment. But it is Jake Kasdan. And not a frat boy comedy which gives me hope.
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mo_flixx
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:41 pm Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
The posters make it look like the biography of a transexual. In fact, that's exactly what I thought it was--the biography of a real-life transexual named Dewey Cox whom I'd never heard of. That would have been far more interesting to me than a mock-doc produced to give John C. Reillly a chance to exercise his "musical chops."


Word.

I really think the poster artist superimposed Reilly's head on someone else's body.
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mo_flixx
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Syd wrote:
Enchanted is a fish-out-of-water comedy in which a fairytale maiden finds her Prince Charming, winning her the emnity of the Prince's evil stepmother (who would have to give up her power if he married). So the evil queen pushes the maiden down a magic well whose bottom is a manhole cover in Times Square, where the maiden turns into a live-action Amy Adams. Eventually she is joined by the Prince, a sentient chipmunk, the Queen's henchman (sent to kill the maiden) and eventually the evil Queen herself.

Fortunately the naive and perky maiden Giselle meets the charming and throroughly decent single father Robert Philip, who has given up on romance and fairy tales and has to deal with a maiden who knows romance and fairy tales are real, and proves it in Manhattan. Since Giselle retains some of the magical traits of animated film maidens, Robert's cynicism is doomed.

This is a clever premise, and the filmmakers pull it off reasonably well thanks to some inspired casting. Amy Adams, in what I believe is her first major lead, plays it with the sweetness and naivety that she did with her roles in Catch Me if You Can and Junebug; her perkiness is a bit annoying at first (imagine what a live-action Snow White would be like) but she pulls the role off, managing the transition from two-dimensional fairy tale maiden to (still magical) three-dimensional woman quite well. Dempsey is just fine as her earthly romantic interest, as is James Marsden as Prince Edward, who gets some of the best laughs, and Timothy Spall, as the henchman. Susan Sarandon overplays the wicked Queen, but who wouldn't.

The film has some big laughs, especially in the two big production numbers. The climax occurs with a costume ball, which is charming, and a battle against a CGI dragon (not bad, and fortunately not outwearing its welcome).

The songs (mostly sung by Ms. Adams) are forgettable, but the production numbers accompanying them make them worthwhile, and the method Giselle uses to make her dresses is priceless. The traditionally animated scenes are rather cartoonish; I wish the animators had spent more time on them to make them look more like early Disney animated features which were feasts for the eyes. Since most of the film is live-action, this is a minor quibble.

All in all, not a major film, and some missteps, but it's sweet, often funny, and I came out with a smile on my face. And, who knows, it may give more starring roles to Amy Adams, which I wouldn't mind at all.


Nice to see that someone else on 3rd Eye agreed with my accessment of ENCHANTED.

I couldn't see anyone else but Amy Adams in the role of Giselle.

Like her beloved square-jawed Prince, too. Not since Christopher Reeve in his Superman days has any real person looked so much like a cartoon. And Patrick Dempsey adds just the right degree of cynicism and urbanity to his role as the divorce lawyer.

ENCHANTMENT gets my vote (so far) as THE holiday movie to see.

[And that upcoming film with Emily Blunt sounds great. Will be keeping my eye out for it.]
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mo_flixx
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carrobin wrote:
I vaguely remember seeing the trailer for "The Graduate" when I was a teenager and thinking it looked really boring. Fortunately I went to see it anyway and loved it, of course.

On the other hand, I've seen trailers in which an appealing moment isn't actually in the movie. The Alan Bates/Julie Andrews film "Duet for One" was a pretty steady downer, but the trailer had a scene in which he and she were sitting together and laughing. Not in the film at all. It was probably a reaction to a misread line.


The art of the trailer has steadily declined since those days!!
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lady wakasa
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:08 am Reply with quote
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mo_flixx wrote:
billyweeds wrote:
The posters make it look like the biography of a transexual. In fact, that's exactly what I thought it was--the biography of a real-life transexual named Dewey Cox whom I'd never heard of. That would have been far more interesting to me than a mock-doc produced to give John C. Reillly a chance to exercise his "musical chops."


Word.

I really think the poster artist superimposed Reilly's head on someone else's body.


Actually, it's a takeoff of a Jim Morrison photo.

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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:16 am Reply with quote
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That one:


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bart
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Coincidentally, I had NPR's "Fresh Air" on last night and they were interviewing John C. Reilly and Jake Kasdan about their film, and played some song excerpts. If the film is one-tenth as funny as what I heard, it will be worth watching. One of the songs that the musician writes is about what a sad day it was when he died....a fine parody of the self-indulgence that songwriters are sometimes prone to.

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I liked American Gangster (SPOILERS AHEAD),

though some of the fine ensemble were kind of neglected so far as developing character, mostly providing a frame for outrageous outfits and a place of almost caricature in the plot -- in a 90 minute film this wouldn't be such a viable complaint, but this thing lasted nearly 3 hours.

Much as I liked many scenes, including the adrenalizing bust at the end of the hunt, the tete-a-tete between Frank and Richie, the street scenes artfully shot to capture the dirtiness and meanness of NY in the 70s, and lines like "Love me like a cop, Frank, not like a lawyer!", the whole thing seemed somewhat cliched and unoriginal. It's fair to say that, since it's based roughly on actual events, there are going to be events that are prosaic, people who live out the stereotype, and life that is full of walking cliches.

Somehow, though, I find it hard to find much memorable in the notion that gangsters can be guys with their own kind of integrity, who love their mamas, who go to church regular, and feel they are doing the right thing for their social group. This is a concept that gangster movies have been offering us for at least half a century and I sort of feel like I've gotten it.
At one point in the film, I heard a man in front of me mutter to his partner, after the scene where Lucas and one of his brothers (Cuba G, I think) heatedly argue about selling quality product and so on, "Look, they've turned into Italians."

Well, sure, Lucas had learned a lot both from his mentor Bumpy and from the mafiosos and the point seems to be that, yeah, the line of work you're in shapes who you are a certain way -- or you go bust.

The scene where they tear apart the Army transport plane to find the big dope shipment was somewhat reminiscent of the famous scene where they tear apart an automobile in...The French Connection? The suspense there is somewhat muted for most audience members over a certain age who will remember the famous news story about the H secreted in soldier coffins.
But suspense is not paramount, given the basic structure of the story...the fact that we know it's based on actual events is a signal in advance that Richie's hunt will not fizzle out.

The film does leave you with good water-cooler questions to chat about -- what would YOU do with a million in unmarked bills, especially if you were a poorly-paid cop struggling to make ends meet and pulling long shifts? Are cops who keep confiscated drug money a cut above cops who are just on the pad? I think it was G. B. Shaw who said that there's no such thing as tainted money, that money has no intrinsic moral aura, it's just money.


I went back to your review, Bart after seeing the film last night. I liked it more than you did.......didn't really sense the cliche aspect. For a movie that's 2 hours and 40 minutes long........it held my attention. It was a good story and with the ending........a very unusual true story. I think Ridley Scott's pacing was great and the drawing of the two main characters was rich. But probably you'd have to say it was a tete a' tete between Russell Crowe and Denzel Washington and they were both definitely up to it.
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Befade, here's how I look at the whole gangsters-love-mama/pet dogs/hug children theme--

If it's an idea you like, then it's a "timeless theme"

If it's one you're tired of, then you call it a "cliche."

I.e. my comments were purely subjective...I could the movie again next year and feel more positive about it, you never know.

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carrobin
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:47 pm Reply with quote
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Bart: Somehow your comment brought back to me the memory of Pauline Kael's criticisms in the New Yorker back in the 70s. It always irritated me when she said "We've seen this before." Sure, she'd seen every movie ever made. But I hadn't seen it before!
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lady wakasa wrote:
That one:



YUM!

Duh...of course.
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jeremy
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I see that The Golden Compass is attracting what could be described at best, as mixed reviews. The American critics, who may be less well disposed to the books and the film than there British counterparts, seem to have given the film a particularly cool reception.

Pity poor Chris Weitz; it appears that his impulse to reject the film on the grounds it was too big for him, may have been correct. Some of the fault (and I assuming the slew of poor notices have some validity) may lie with the difficulties inherent in adapting the source material. His Dark Materials was always going to be difficult to realise cinematically. However, when compared with the LOTR films, it may be that Weitz lacked Peter Jackson’s vision and, perhaps more importantly, the strength of character and standing to see the film through under his own terms. Peter Jackson may also have gained from being based in New Zealand, far from prying eyes and sticky beaks.

Chris Weitz is no philistine; he has a degree in English from Cambridge, and, as was also the case with Jackson, was an avowed lover of the books. However, it appears he may have been overly sensitive to the concerns of his studio, New Line. In filleting the books of their intellectual backbone, he may also have severed the film from its querulous daemon.

Studio dictate could also be behind the relatively short, multiplex-friendly running-time. Many reviews complain that the film seems rushed, and it is certainly shorter than the opening episodes of its fantasy franchise brethren.

It will be a great shame if the film is such a dud that it results in the potentially meatier sequels being canned.

On the other hand, the week's other big release, Atonement is already being talked up as a serious Oscar contender.

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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:39 pm Reply with quote
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I'd never heard of His Dark Materials until I heard that this film was in production. I have the feeling I'm far from alone, and that's probably why it's getting a lukewarm reception in the US. It's a little hard to join the band if you've never played an instrument before.

May be wrong - but the emotional attachment might be a necessary ingredient here. It's hard to think of what Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings might've been like as a fresh story. (Actually, LotR probably would've been fine, but not so sure about HP - that's much much more about interpreting the books than telling a story.)

I first thought about this with Willy Wonka / Charley. I first saw WW in my mid-30s, and it was cute enough, but I will always be much more attached to The Wizard of Oz.

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I bought "The Golden Compass" paperback just because it looked interesting--as an Anglophile, I was intrigued by the concept of a fantasy Oxford--and the overall title of "His Dark Materials" is still a bit vague for me. But I love Lyra and the daemons and her problematic parental units, and I do want to see the film. It's not like Harry Potter, though--it's much more complex and dark than the first Potter book, and I can't imagine it having the same kind of appeal to a broad audience.

Actually, I couldn't believe "Golden Compass" was considered a children's book in England. But then, Roald Dahl was English too...
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Befade, here's how I look at the whole gangsters-love-mama/pet dogs/hug children theme--

If it's an idea you like, then it's a "timeless theme"

If it's one you're tired of, then you call it a "cliche."



Bart......I guess I read that in reviews of the film.....but that wasn't my take on it. I wasn't shocked, stunned, or impressed that he took Mama to church......He was a gangster. SPOILERS: (What? He brought 5 brothers into the business and wasn't always gentle with them. And he did repeat many times that he wanted to appear "normal". Remember him burning the flamboyant coat his wife bought him because it blew his cover?) I guess I saw the point of the movie as "Can this slick gangster dude be stopped by this grungey, straight shooting cop?" I know the cop was portrayed as a bad family man in contrast to the gangster.......but I think summing it up that way simplifies it too much. I thought the complexity was interesting.
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