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chillywilly
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:12 pm Reply with quote
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tirebiter wrote:
Yeah, those British guys all look the same.

(Oddly, and tellingly, I think you're right-- I confused one for the other.)

Good thing that wasn't a Final Jeopardy answer... Laughing

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tirebiter
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:14 pm Reply with quote
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That's QUESTION. It must be in the form of a QUESTION!!
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chillywilly
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:18 pm Reply with quote
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Doh! I had the word Question before and put answer.

Guess I'd not do so well on the show.

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mo_flixx
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:30 pm Reply with quote
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lshap wrote:
Befade wrote:
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If this sounds like a carefree story of youthful exuberance and cool adventures, it's not. The emotional power of this film comes from the haunting lack of happiness within this guy. The farther he travels, the more beautiful the scenery, the nicer the people he meets, the less he seems to have. Into The Wild is a beautifully told arc of anger, sadness and, finally, acceptance. Ironically, the only person unaware of this trajectory is Christopher himself. He sees himself as a discoverer of some kind of truth; others see a sweet, scraggly, educated mess, running from himself as fast as he can.


Lorne........I agree with you about the power of this film. It's my favorite of the year.......But strongly disagree with your conclusion of his unhappiness. I was impressed with his joie de vivre. His journey was not away from himself......but to a self that was truly his and not the product of an unhappy family. This was a spiritual journey where his discovery was that he wanted to share happiness.......and return home.

I love the soundtrack by Eddie Vedder.


Weird...I'm currently working with a client in a restaurant while listening to Vedder's soundtrack on the sound system. It is great.

Gotta' contend that Chris' story was a textbook case of escaping from one's life. He disowns everything associated with his life to that point, including his own name, running from anyone who gets close during his journey, and all in service of an ostensible quest to discover something that never completely arrives. His experiences were less about discovering than hiding; each time he got close to someone, he left. He didn't nourish himself on each experience but, instead, abandoned it in favour of moving onto his next destination.

Despite the beautiful places he went, and despite the many fringe characters he met and befriended, his emotional starvation was even more profound than his physical malnourishment.

His realization that happiness was only real when shared came somewhat late in the game.


Just saw this movie and liked it. I ran into 4 friends at the theater. All of them had read the book.

I remember seeing a segment on TV about Christopher's story...but without reading the book, I honestly had to wonder just how all the pieces of his life away from his family came together. Did author Krakauer really document Christopher's journey in such detail?

And maybe I'm missing something, but I found it sad that a young man with so much promise left us with little more than a list regarding survival in his abbreviated journal...while he was reading the great books he managed to tote along.

BTW, I noticed Charlie Musselwhite's harmonica credit at the end. He's a longtime favorite of mine.
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mo_flixx
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:33 pm Reply with quote
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jeremy wrote:
One line film reviews:

Rendition; not as extraordinary as it should be.

The film would have been better without the standard, Hollywood, bolt-on melodrama.

Damn, that was two lines.


BUT it's everything you ever needed to know about "waterboarding."
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yambu
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:43 pm Reply with quote
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mo_flixx wrote:
....BTW, I noticed Charlie Musselwhite's harmonica credit at the end. He's a longtime favorite of mine.
Ten years ago, I saw him perform with Eliades Ochoa, a traditional singer-guitarist from Cuba. I thought, how the hell is THIS gonna work. It did, beautifully.
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Befade
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:31 am Reply with quote
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Re: Into the Wild. I'm going to read the book. People I know who read it loved it more than his others.

Still think his journey was Buddha-like......renouncing all attachments to see what was there in him. And it seemed like a good way to purge himself of his painful family history. He only died because he couldn't make it back home with the spring thaws going on in Alaska.

But, of course.......there's lots I don't know about him.

Mo.....You've been gone a while......been anywhere interesting?
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Befade
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:15 pm Reply with quote
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Lust, Caution is a rich story and a fitting next step in Ang Lee's career. For anyone willing to do a little legwork, there's a thought-provoking narrative layered in the complexities of life, and attraction, and war. I highly recommend it.


I do too, Lady.......very much so. It's a fitting follow-up to Brokeback Mountain.......a short story is the germ......an anxiety fraught sexual relationship the soil. I thought of Last Tango in Paris and Black Book.

I think the reviewers had the problem of having to put things into words too quickly. This is a story of what sex expresses and what it gives birth to and a realization of what love is. This is a story of two people living in a period of history and place where violence is the option chosen and the scars are evident.

I have to say it was unsettling to realize that Tony Leung (impossibly hot in 2046, also) resembles Barack O.
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mo_flixx
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:11 am Reply with quote
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Befade wrote:
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Lust, Caution is a rich story and a fitting next step in Ang Lee's career. For anyone willing to do a little legwork, there's a thought-provoking narrative layered in the complexities of life, and attraction, and war. I highly recommend it.


I do too, Lady.......very much so. It's a fitting follow-up to Brokeback Mountain.......a short story is the germ......an anxiety fraught sexual relationship the soil. I thought of Last Tango in Paris and Black Book.

I think the reviewers had the problem of having to put things into words too quickly. This is a story of what sex expresses and what it gives birth to and a realization of what love is. This is a story of two people living in a period of history and place where violence is the option chosen and the scars are evident.

I have to say it was unsettling to realize that Tony Leung (impossibly hot in 2046, also) resembles Barack O.


[I liked INTO THE WILD very much. Can't wait to read the book. I was overwhelmed & deeply saddened by the tragedy of the whole thing however.]

Re: LUST CAUTION.

I couldn't really understand why it didn't score with the critics. Maybe it was too long. And perhaps it _could_ have been cut a bit.

However, it is --SPOILER??--


a classic demonstration of the Stockholm syndrome IMO.



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The movie is very slow and deliberate. It begins in 1938 (right?) and continues until 1943. IMO any viewer has to be very patient and let the story unroll at its own pace. This is a tale that can't be rushed.

I thought I caught a few gaffes - for example the Cadillac seemed a bit too late a model to me.

Betsy is right. Tony Leung DOES look like Obama...but I never would have noticed without her observation.

The movie was one that stuck with me for a long time after viewing. There was a lot to digest. I'm still not sure I caught all the nuances. I felt much the same way after seeing BROKEBACK MTN. and eventually read the short story it was based on.

The actress in LUST CAUTION does a remarkable job. How she is able to go from looking about age 15 to wealthy young matron (glamorous 20's) is a miracle in itself.

And this is one movie where the SEX scenes prove essential to the story. Graphic, yes; pornographic, NO.
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mo_flixx
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:24 am Reply with quote
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More...

[quote="lady wakasa"]...
Lust, Caution is taking a beating in the critical arena....
- Robert Wilonsky, Village Voice: "Ang Lee's sexed-up NC-17 thriller is neither sexy nor thrilling... it's amazing how something so cold is expected to generate so much heat."

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Lady, your review contains some fantastic insights.

AND to Mr. Wilonsky, I don't think the sex scenes are supposed to generate MUCH HEAT.

He really missed the point, IMO.
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Ghulam
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:24 am Reply with quote
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Both Stephanie and Manhola pan Lions for Lambs.
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tirebiter
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:33 am Reply with quote
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This weekend: No Country For Old Men. Read the book if you can-- brilliant. The casting by the Coens is really good, but Javier Bardem as Chigurh is way out of left field. I'm eager to see how it works out.
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whiskeypriest
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:31 am Reply with quote
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tirebiter wrote:
This weekend: No Country For Old Men. Read the book if you can-- brilliant. The casting by the Coens is really good, but Javier Bardem as Chigurh is way out of left field. I'm eager to see how it works out.
The guy who reviews movies in my morning paper thinks it's as good as Fargo.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071108/REVIEWS/711080304

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marantzo
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:41 am Reply with quote
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Both Stephanie and Manhola pan Lions for Lambs.


As does Alison Gillmor.
Ghulam
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Looks like universal raves for No Country for Old Men, the latest from Coen brothers.
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