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| lady wakasa |
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Marj wrote: Lady -- I haven't seen Lust, Caution but hope to. Still your review didn't spoil a thing! Wonderfully written and insightful. Hope you'll send this to Lorne.
Thanks, Marj.
I had to tweak one thing, though - I got the deluxe "book" that was released with the movie (much better than these things usually are) and was reading the screenplay last night. I misremembered one thing, and I'm probably not going to get a chance to see the movie again in the theater. |
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| ehle64 |
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:11 am |
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Whatever you do, if & when you see Lust, Caution; please, don't get there an hour into the picture.  |
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| grace |
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:36 am |
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gromit wrote:
And speaking of the original. (3:10 to Yuma)
How much is the same?
I'm assuming the ending has been significantly altered.
I've only seen the original so can't do a compare/contrast, but -- towards the end, Glenn Ford (Crowe) saves Van Heflin's (Bale's) life by not getting out of the line of fire. Ford's gang wants to shoot Heflin and tells Ford to get out of the way, but Ford refuses to. Later, I think he gives Heflin an "Aw, shucks" type of explanation, saying that Heflin saved his life earlier, and he doesn't like to owe stuff like that. In other words, we're even.
While they're either on the train or shortly before, Ford and Heflin almost apologize to each other for their circumstance, which I take to mean as a show of hard-earned mutual respect. IIRC, when Heflin apologizes, Ford says something like "Oh, hell, I've broken out of there (Yuma) lotsa times." Implying, of course, that he will do it again, not to worry, etc.
It sounds like in the original, more emphasis was put on the farmer/rancher character (Heflin). He wasn't exactly portrayed as a sadsack or the Willy Loman of ranchers, but we definitely got the message that he was in trouble -- no money, animals dying because of a drought, his wife even dissed him a bit, I think. At the end, as the train pulls out toward Yuma, the rain comes, the wife is by the train tracks waving; Heflin seems to have his self-respect back, and we all know everything's going to be okay. Because it's the '50s, after all. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:43 am |
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| Without seeing the original--and bear in mind that Heflin is one of my very favorite screen actors ever--I know I like the remake better. |
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| ehle64 |
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:11 am |
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| Thanks Mr. Weeden -- makes me want to steer clear of the original. I mean, there's too much to see anyways. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:17 am |
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I have only seen the original and it is a very good movie. I saw it at one of my neighbourhood theatres when I was living in Paris. This theatre loved showing American westerns and I caught up on all the classic westerns that I had missed. My favourite from my Paris days was Ride the High Country and 3:10 To Yuma is in second place. I wasn't a big western fan growing up and I had never even heard of these movies, though RtHC was almost current at the time.
The first wall poster I saw in the Paris Metro station was a large picture of a gunman shooting an apparent bad man, L'Homme Qui Tuer Liberty Valence. |
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| lady wakasa |
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:57 am |
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ehle64 wrote: Whatever you do, if & when you see Lust, Caution; please, don't get there an hour into the picture.
Yeah, but that was a key scene. It really was important, and it really was important for it to be shown the way it was.
Walking in an hour in really wasn't a good thing, though. At that point, nothing would've made sense. |
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| grace |
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:59 am |
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I should clarify -- I pick on the original 3:10 to Yuma, but affectionately so. I like the film very much. The story is by Elmore Leonard,so its being a Western is pretty coincidental -- it's really all about the characters and a little suspense-y (IMHO, of course). I also love Heflin, and I think Glenn Ford does one of the best charming-yet-evil (or is it evil-but-charming?) guys I've ever seen. I think its weakness might just be that it's old; and we today are used to messy, is-this-really-the- end non-conclusions to a lot of our stories; so this one stands out by the tidiness of its wrap-up.
If I read correctly about the new one - something about Crowe's horse running after the train because he knows Crowe will break out of prison and apparently wants to be there to carry him off into the sunset -- well, I love and semi-know horses and think they often have more brains than they get credit for. But that just sounds a little too Trigger-ish to me. I'd find it very off-putting and mark the new version down accordingly on that point. That is, if/when I see it, which won't be soon. |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:18 pm |
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grace wrote: something about Crowe's horse running after the train because he knows Crowe will break out of prison and apparently wants to be there to carry him off into the sunset
No, Crowe whistles to the horse and the horse runs after the train. My feeling is Crowe's going to jump the train as soon as he's out of sight of the boy. |
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| ehle64 |
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:19 pm |
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| All these goddamn blank posts about a completely inferior film that's a remake makes me wanna barf. |
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| grace |
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Syd wrote: No, Crowe whistles to the horse and the horse runs after the train. My feeling is Crowe's going to jump the train as soon as he's out of sight of the boy.
Okay, thanks for the clarification (about this inferior film that's making people barf.) Just for the record, I'm anticipating not seeing the remake not out of spite or strangely placed loyalty but for lack of free time.
I like the blank post thing, though. It's a trend that could catch on big-time. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:41 pm |
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| lady wakasa |
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:49 pm |
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I haven't seen the movie yet, but I kinda felt left out and just wanted to post a hidden message.
I just saw grace's post when I was previewing, though, so I'm keeping up with ya. %^D
Somebody please go see Lust, Caution so I can talk to you!!! |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:28 pm |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:08 pm |
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Syd wrote: grace wrote: something about Crowe's horse running after the train because he knows Crowe will break out of prison and apparently wants to be there to carry him off into the sunset
Wade and Grace--We wouldn't have been raving about a Trigger-like response. No, Syd is right on the money. |
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