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billyweeds
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:15 am Reply with quote
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Marj wrote:
Wade -- Just put Le temps qui reste on the top of my queue.

And I just saw Michael Douglas in Wall Street. The film has aged and Charlie Sheen is no great shakes. But Michael Douglas is great. Almost as good as Martin Sheen. Fun film and still a real grabber.

I haven't see Wonder Boys in years. But it has to be one of Douglas' best performances hands down. Or does it just seem that way because it is so very different than his other films? I wonder.


I will watch it again. But I suspect the performance is just as good as we remember it being. I always sort of liked Michael Douglas, sometimes very much (Wall Street, The China Syndrome, Romancing the Stone, It's My Turn)--but Wonder Boys trumped all his performances by a wide margin.
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mo_flixx
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:21 am Reply with quote
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Michael Douglas IMO is sort of a kindler, gentler version of Kirk. Tough, abrasive, aggressive, neurotic, etc.




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Joe Vitus
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:02 am Reply with quote
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To me, Michael's the better actor. He always seems in character to me (even if he frequently plays the same kind of character: harried yuppie), while Kirk never did.

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billyweeds
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:19 am Reply with quote
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Joe Vitus wrote:
To me, Michael's the better actor. He always seems in character to me (even if he frequently plays the same kind of character: harried yuppie), while Kirk never did.


Michael is probably the better actor, but there's no substitute for Kirk (one of my all-time favorite movie stars). And there's never been a Douglas performance (Kirk or Michael) better than dad's in Lonely Are the Brave.
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Trish
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:22 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
Marj wrote:
Wade -- Just put Le temps qui reste on the top of my queue.

And I just saw Michael Douglas in Wall Street. The film has aged and Charlie Sheen is no great shakes. But Michael Douglas is great. Almost as good as Martin Sheen. Fun film and still a real grabber.

I haven't see Wonder Boys in years. But it has to be one of Douglas' best performances hands down. Or does it just seem that way because it is so very different than his other films? I wonder.


I will watch it again. But I suspect the performance is just as good as we remember it being. I always sort of liked Michael Douglas, sometimes very much (Wall Street, The China Syndrome, Romancing the Stone, It's My Turn)--but Wonder Boys trumped all his performances by a wide margin.


I love Wonder Boys - its a sin he couldn't land an oscar nomination
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gromit
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:48 am Reply with quote
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Black and White in Color won the Best Foreign FIlm Oscar in 1977. It's a fun film and a clever satire on the inanities of war and patriotism. A small French outpost in West Africa learns of WWI 6 months after the start. Misguidedly, they decide that it is their duty to attack the nearby German settlement. The first skirmish goes badly and fear and farce meet up. This African war mimics the stupidity and selfishness of the real war in Europe. There's a light touch to most of the film, and the film has a nice pace and rhythm to it.

This DVd was a complete blind buy for me. And a very nice surprise was the inclusion of the full length (93 minute) documentary The Sky Above, the Mud Below (1961). It's the record of an expedition across Papua New Guinea/Irian Jaya from south to north. Takes them 7 months, the death of 3 porters, and airdrops of food, not to mention encounters with headhunters, leeches, and malaria.

Occasionally the narration falls into some 1950's-ish cliches, but mostly provides a straight-forward commentary on the proceedings (complete with liberal use of the word "savages"). I really got wrapped up in this film. The tribal rituals and fashions are amazing to witness. A good amount of the footage appears to be staged recreations, somewhat in the tradition of Robert Flaherty. But it's a real expedition of uncharted territory, meeting unknown tribes, the record of a primitive world and unexplored nature of the sort that has essentially ceased to exist.

I'd definitely recommend seeking out this disc.

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bart
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:42 pm Reply with quote
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Finally saw Assassination Tango. Fairly static, slow-moving study of a hit man dealing with all his getting-too-old-for-the-game issues. If it hadn't been Duvall, I would have given up midway through -- even so, it was too much a pet project and not enough a story. I like Bob's way of playing vulnerability with an edge, but he just didn't struggle enough.

Compare to Brosnan in The Matador and it seems somewhat anemic.

The scene with Argentine tango-ists chatting and philosophizing about tango could only be of interest to the most hardcore dance buffs.

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Ghulam
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:20 pm Reply with quote
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Michael Cimino's The Deerhunter packs a lesser punch today than it did in 1978. The story of the drinking buddies from a northern industrial town (probably soon to be part of the rust belt) who go to fight in the Vietnam war (that Russian roulette place) and have some harrowing and maturing experiences, is sensitively told. The performances are very good, especially those of Meryl Streep and Christopher Walken. The movie is long, 181 minutes, and the pace is slow, but judging from this movie no one could have predicted that the director was going to lay an egg 2 years later.
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Marj
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:12 pm Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
Joe Vitus wrote:
To me, Michael's the better actor. He always seems in character to me (even if he frequently plays the same kind of character: harried yuppie), while Kirk never did.


Michael is probably the better actor, but there's no substitute for Kirk (one of my all-time favorite movie stars). And there's never been a Douglas performance (Kirk or Michael) better than dad's in Lonely Are the Brave.


Billy - As soon as I saw Joe's post, I was waiting for the above. Glad to see I wasn't disapointed. *huge smile*

Trish - I couldn't agree more.
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marantzo
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:44 pm Reply with quote
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Ghulam wrote:
Michael Cimino's The Deerhunter packs a lesser punch today than it did in 1978. The story of the drinking buddies from a northern industrial town (probably soon to be part of the rust belt) who go to fight in the Vietnam war (that Russian roulette place) and have some harrowing and maturing experiences, is sensitively told. The performances are very good, especially those of Meryl Streep and Christopher Walken. The movie is long, 181 minutes, and the pace is slow, but judging from this movie no one could have predicted that the director was going to lay an egg 2 years later.


First of all it didn't pack a wallop for me when I did see it in '78. I thought the movie was a bloated piece of egotistical nonsense. And of course I wasn't surprised in the least about where Cimino went from there.

There are directors that I see when they start out and don't like what they do, but I see that they do have an artistic potential that just hasn't been realised because they are still devoloping, and there are directors that I see starting out that I don't like who don't show me any original artistic sensibility whatsoever. P.T. Anderson is the former and Cimino is the latter. M. Night was in between, and unfortunately went straight downhill with every film he made.
Ghulam
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:00 am Reply with quote
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"here are directors that I see starting out that I don't like who don't show me any original artistic sensibility whatsoever"

Cimino's tanking after The Deerhunter was reprised by Kevin Costner after Dances with Wolves.
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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:03 am Reply with quote
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Rod wrote a really good piece praising (the restored) Heaven's Gate. It was part of an essay on modern westerns, and I believe it's in our Reviews section. Worth checking out.

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yambu
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:30 am Reply with quote
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marantzo wrote:
....First of all it didn't pack a wallop for me when I did see it in '78. I thought the movie was a bloated piece of egotistical nonsense.....
The Deer Hunter is an important film in the same way Platoon is, for showing us, from the inside out, the class of American who were the fodder for that war. It's Streep, DeNiro, Savage, Cazale and Walkin all at their best, which is praise enough for the director. I can see and hear in my mind every scene. But come the Russian roulette, it crashes harder and faster than any other film I know.
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Ghulam
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:44 am Reply with quote
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I couldn't find Rod's review. Joe, but thanks anyway.
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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:39 am Reply with quote
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Sorry about that. I'll try to look it up myself, but I'm so bad at making a search on this site, I doubt I'll have better luck.

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