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| mo_flixx |
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tirebiter wrote: Gary: You just don't "get" Chomsky. His early stuff was great, especially the album with Mose Allison.
PS: Did you know he was a drummer with The Dave Clark Five for awhile in 1965?
Chomsky didn't "get" Ali G. Didn't know about his collaborations with either Mose Allison or the Dave Clark Five.
I'm familiar with him only as a linguist (and not even a bi-lingual one as he admits to Ali G) and as an activist.
He certainly seemed to be the poster boy for the Sta. Fe senior liberal crowd. |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:53 am |
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Old Boy was meant to be over the top and silly. Whether its due to naivette or cultural and stylistic differences, part of the attraction of many Chinese and Korean films is their fearlessness, their lack of affectation. Their eschewal (or ignorance) of established norms can border on the surreal. In small doses, I find them refreshing.
Ridiculous or sublime - sometimes there's only a hair's breadth between them. |
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| mo_flixx |
| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:58 am |
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Wondering if Chomsky and Tom Lehr's paths ever intersected. Both taught at M.I.T.
Lehr was know for his witty songs in the '60's.
(I happen to think Tom Lehr would have given Ali G a run for his money.)
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| mo_flixx |
| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:26 am |
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Trivia:
Chomsky named one of his kids Ringo. |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:21 am |
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Mo,
I think you'll find that Dave Clark was the drummer with the Dave Clark Five, which was why they often set up with the drums at the front. Amongst others, one of the worst bands' of the eighties, The Knack, copied this styling.
Most rock bands consign they're drummer to the rear of the stage. Ostensibly this is done so that the drums do not dominate visually or aurally, but the real reason is that the drummer is usually the dumbest and ugliest member of the band, has the smallest ego (often just being grateful to be there) and is the easiest to push around.
One should enjoy Tire's postings, but be careful of taking them too literally. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:54 am |
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jeremy wrote: Mo,
Amongst others, one of the worst bands' of the eighties, The Knack, copied this styling.
You just don't "get" the Knack. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:20 am |
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Noam Chomsky is freaking brilliant.
I would like him if for no other reason than the way he smacks around that complete putz Alan Dershowitz. It would be fun to see Ali G interview The Dersh.
Way back at the end of the Reagan Error, in a room filled with future corporate lawyers of America predominately rooting for the GOP, I watched GHW(imp) Bush win the presidency. Truly depressing as he was (imo) a losing candidate, and essentially a vote for a third Reagan term. One salvation was that I was just two months into law school and managed to pick up a cute brainy third year law student.
So about midnight or so, I slogged my way thru the gloom to a friend's apartment. He was hunkered down in front of a small b&w Tv set, with his bong already out. I joined him. And on PBS was Noam Chomsky discussing the Bush victory and stating bluntly how "doomed" we were (That's a quote ... as I remember it). And somehow his analysis of extending record deficits, the likelihood of further wars, squandering the "Peace Dividend," and what it would mean for our poor and the social services of the country was so blunt and refreshing that I felt comforted that at least someone understood the ramifications, and furthermore was somehow allowed on the airwaves to announce that we wouldn't go down quietly. Noam, the bong, and the phone number all helped me get through a dark time.
The one thing Chomsky couldn't forsee was Son of Bush plaguing us now with the same ills, only magnified. Bush the First had no constituency. The religious right, other wingnuts, supply-siders, hard-core Reaganites, and George Will didn't trust him. In fact, I don't think he'd ever been elected to any office before (except Veep, and nobody really votes for that, as Bush later proved with Quayle). 1988 nearly saw the inauguration of The Hart Administration, and subsequent history would have been quite different. |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:49 am |
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Not moving in pipe smoking circles, it took me a while to realise what you meant when you said your room-mate already had his bong out.
For a moment, I thought you were outing yourself. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:00 am |
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marantzo wrote: Quote:
Noam Chomsky was another one who just didn't get it and was impossibly serious.
Why does this not surprise me. The guy is a prick. |
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| mo_flixx |
| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:05 am |
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jeremy wrote: Mo,
I think you'll find that Dave Clark was the drummer with the Dave Clark Five, which was why they often set up with the drums at the front. Amongst others, one of the worst bands' of the eighties, The Knack, copied this styling.
Most rock bands consign they're drummer to the rear of the stage. Ostensibly this is done so that the drums do not dominate visually or aurally, but the real reason is that the drummer is usually the dumbest and ugliest member of the band, has the smallest ego (often just being grateful to be there) and is the easiest to push around.
One should enjoy Tire's postings, but be careful of taking them too literally.
ROTFWL! This is course was NOT the case with Hippie's band as he has explained to me. |
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| chillywilly |
| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:19 am |
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gromit wrote: In fact, I don't think he'd ever been elected to any office before (except Veep, and nobody really votes for that, as Bush later proved with Quayle).
Actually, he was elected to Congress from '67 to '71. |
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| Marj |
| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:50 pm |
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Love him or hate him, Noam Chomsky is a brilliant man.
I think the funniest interview I ever saw was Ali G's with Pat Robertson. You just have to see it to believe it. Things like this just can't be explained. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:59 pm |
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| The trouble is that he tries to apply the concepts of linguistics to a societal analysis. I don't think this works. It's the same failing I think the French critics of the past fifty years have had. He uses his degrees to blather on about anything whatsoever, and in the voice of the Unbiased Sage. I think he will prove to have been as much a mountebank as Margaret Mead. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:08 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: The trouble is that he tries to apply the concepts of linguistics to a societal analysis. I don't think this works. It's the same failing I think the French critics of the past fifty years have had. He uses his degrees to blather on about anything whatsoever, and in the voice of the Unbiased Sage. I think he will prove to have been as much a mountebank as Margaret Mead.
That does not necessarily make him a good, or accurate, mind in the fields of current events or politics. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:46 pm |
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| Oh, I'm not disbuting his work within his chose field at all. |
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